The Vegan Vegetarian Myth

(Full Metal Keto) #1

The Vegan and Vegetarian Myth

While I have long accepted that vegetarian diets are inferior long before I started keto this article is the first myth busting analysis of traditional vegetarian diets and the myth that humans are going to have the best health as vegans that I have read. I didn’t know that the concept of a vegan diet only came to being in 1952. This is a very interesting look at what’s left as far as ancestral diet cultures in small pockets of the modern world.

“Clever” people always think they know better than what one million years of history have proven. And also the environmental damage and destruction that a vegan culture would do to our planet.

Enjoy :cowboy_hat_face:

(Michael - Don't expect miracles and you won't be disappointed.) #2

Excellent! Thank you for posting the link.

(David Brown) #3

What I don’t understand about vegetarians and vegans is they always seem to push their agenda on you and then say “oh, I found a vegetarian Pepperoni the other day” :grin:.

(Raj Seth) #4

And why is it anathema to offer a vegan a bite of steak, but having just one slice of cake is expected of us? :confounded::face_with_symbols_over_mouth::rage:


Be careful about generalizations. I’m a vegetarian, and I don’t push an agenda on anybody. I don’t judge someone for eating meat. Heck, I regularly “like” posts on the food porn thread that feature meat. And I don’t eat meat substitutes. They’re just gross with all the stuff added to them.

I’m not a vegetarian for health reasons. I don’t claim it’s “the best” diet. Just me personally, it hurts my soul to think an animal died for me, especially under the typical slaughterhouse conditions. I’ve been to Kansas, I’ve seen the feedlots where the cows stand ankle deep in their own shit. I just don’t want to contribute to that, but I don’t expect everybody else to share my view.

I realize that in the past humans had to hunt to survive, but there are enough alternatives these days that it’s not necessary, so therefore I avoid it.

Honestly, if I could afford pastured meat that I knew was humanely slaughtered I might actually go back to eating meat. But I’ll have to find a sugar daddy first :slight_smile:

(Jane) #6

I cannot store more than 1/4 of a cow in my freezer so been hoping 3 of my neighbors will eventually go in with me and buy a cow.

There are no feedlots where I live. I live in VERY rural Arkansas and all the cows around here are raised on pasture land and nobody here can afford what they charge for “grass fed” beef so I’m thinking it would be affordable and delicious.

(Full Metal Keto) #7

I had noticed your food is kind of vegetarian mostly but I didn’t realize it was all the time. What do you eat for protein on a keto diet, it’s really hard to do keto vegetarian style. I know you eat dairy, do you eat eggs too?


Yes, most steers start out on pasture, but once they get to a certain weight they are trucked to feedlots where they are “finished” with grain for a few weeks before slaughter.

That’s a good idea to go in with neighbors on a steer. I don’t have a big freezer so that’s not an option for me, unfortunately. Although, a local grocery chain is selling grass-fed ribeyes this week for $6.99/lb. You can’t beat that price with a stick. I bet they’re all sold out. I’m tempted to go get a rain check just in case I go back to eating meat in the future. But I think the sale ends tonight and I can’t be bothered to go out. :slight_smile:


Yeah, it’s a challenge to do veggie keto. I eat a lot of eggs (kinda sick of them!), and a lot of dairy. I decided about a month ago that I would start eating fish for the protein, but I think I’ve eaten 2 cans of tuna, and maybe a couple canned salmon steaks in that time, lol.

(Full Metal Keto) #10

Although a little carbish mussels are almost as good for you as liver. Super high nutritional content. I don’t know if you can get fresh ones where you live but they have frozen cooked and shelled mussels at Safeway where I occasionally go. About $4 for 8oz package I think. Mussels have a slightly liver like flavor but milder. They would be excellent health wise for you in small servings. :cowboy_hat_face:


I’ve never had mussels. Aren’t they kinda squishy and slimy?

(Full Metal Keto) #12

Not cooked. Like clams they can toughen up if they’re cooked a little too long. :cowboy_hat_face:


Hmmm… I might try them. Not fond of anything that tastes like liver, though. I guess there’s recipes that might disguise the taste. Thanks for the suggestion.

(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #14

You can do a lot with fish. It’s one of my favorite things to eat. Some butter, pan fry a piece, add some broccoli to the pan, top off with a bit of lemon juice and salt. Yum!


Oh, I like the idea of adding broccoli to it. My son bought a big thing of tilapia today, so whenever I finish this fast I’ll try your idea.

(Libby) #16

My favorite appetizer ever-- mussels in wine and garlic. Carrabas and a couple of other good Italian restaurants is where I have had them.

(Jane) #17

I know they finish them off in grain but not trucked to feed lots here. I can’t emphasize enough how RURAL I am. My town has 500 population. The next town over 2000. Big town with restaurants and stuff - 10,000.

(Jane) #18

My favorite all time baked fish recipe - even pre keto.

(Kelly) #19

If you want to get some benefits of liver without eating it… I use it to make stock. My hubby and son won’t eat it but they don’t know it’s in the stock I make :slight_smile:

(Awesome Cheerleader For All) #20

@Kelisk8s do you have instructions or a recipe for making this stock?

And will you be posting any skating pictures? :grin: