Nicotine aids lipolysis. What to do when you quit nicotine?

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(Mark Rhodes) #41

Update: @Nimitta After a week of reading all about the interplay between choline and acetyl-carnitine and lipolysis I am going to give it a 30 day go. With the normal 5 day fasts I do along with feasts- meaning I will do my best to not change anything, I will consider a 2 pound scale loss as a victory.


#42

Yeah, I used to drink tons of Mio water flavoring. I mean like I’d use a bottle about every other day. I stalled for a couple of weeks and then read that Ace-K (acefultame potassium) can spike insulin. I severely restricted my Mio and started losing again the next week. Could be coincidence of course but like you said, taken to the extreme I’m sure it’s not good for you either way!


#43

Which are you supplementing and in what form? I have acetyl-L-carnitine and thought that it was really helping with energy but found that it also started giving me insomnia (at least I think I’ve narrowed it down as the culprit). I’ll be interested in your results!


(Donna) #44

Wow…fully understanding your concern about Ace-K…I just read a paper (hélas…cannot find it at the moment) mentioning the fact that Ace-K can really do a ‘number’ on the gut biome…I’m staying away from it as well…as I figure better safe than sorry! It helps to not have the ‘trigger’ of sweet taste of any ilk in my person!! Have a great weekend Mr. Jones!!


(Mark Rhodes) #45

Bulk Supplements is my preferred brand.


#46

Ha! Me too! Off Amazon, right? I’ve used them for L-Theanine, the Acetyl-L-Carnatine, and creatine. They are definitely the best value.


#47

Here’s the article I was referring to:

" The problem with acesulfame potassium is that there are a number of studies revealing it significantly increases insulin response without raising blood sugar . This is exactly what one is trying to avoid to lose weight. Studies show that the insulin response is as remarkable as if a person ingested an equivalent amount of glucose (Horm Metab Res. 1987 Jun; 19(6):233-8.). It appears that acesulfame potassium works directly on the pancreas to stimulate insulin release (Horm Metab Res. 1987 Jul; 19(7):285-9)."


(Jane) #48

I still like a little flavoring in my ketoaid so I found this today after reading your posts about Ace-K.

Only Stevia (which may or may not be as bad) so I am going to try it out. All the others had Ace-K in them. Mio, Kool Ade, etc.


#49

Yes! That’s exactly what I switched to.I like the strawberry watermelon the best. I was disappointed in the pineapple-something-something because I LOVE the Dasani Drops (also has Ace-K) pineapple-coconut flavor. I still splurge on the “Orange Vanilla” Mio sometimes though because it is just too delicious. But other than Splurge and one specific flavor of a Food Lion generic version of mio, they ALL have Ace-K.

I personally have no problems with Stevia. 4.5 months and 45lbs almost 50lbs down!

I’m sure with a more concerted effort I could make myself drink plain water…but man, it would be tough. I also like some of the “True Lemon” varities but you have to be super careful. They are the powdered packets and some have <1g carb and some have 3g of cane sugar. I use a half packet in a 40oz bottle. Just enough to give it some tart flavor. So it’s less than half of a half of a gram.


(says mix it up! Let chaos reign!) #50

Both of these things are true. #voiceofexperience

Now, it’s all I drink apart from my ketoaide, which I need to drink more of currently. I keep falling back to just drinking water.


(Tommy) #51

Nicotine is a well-known appetite suppressant. You may need to check your calorie consumption for a little while with a site like Cronometer and see where you are sneaking in calories.

If you are not doing intermittent fasting already (1 meal per day), that will probably solve your problem.

This will allow you to lower your insulin even further so your body can burn off more of its fat stores.


(Mark Rhodes) #52

Thank you for the thoughts. I fast usually for 5 days at a stretch. The issue is that my insulin sensitivity was in some part generated by nicotine and as such needs the same amount of time if not more to heal as when I first started keto 23 months ago. In other words if I had not been using nicotine when I started I would have started from a far worse position in health and wellness. The IF and EF in three months time have hardly brought my blood sugars back into the range I had established over the previous year and that had been my normal baseline.
Yes I may have to adjust overall calorie consumption however I did not climb at all and I have always tracked everything. I am an engineer and I can’t help but track which is really good since I have data that I can see exactly what is happening. Yes nicotine does have an effect on leptin which is an appetite hormone but this is a minor effect when compared to the level of insulin sensitivity it creates. Dropping my calories and more would likely have a detrimental effect on my lean body composition. I strive for heavy musculature.

I have started a seperate thread concerning the choline. It seems us keto people and smokers especially have depleted ourselves of this. In 30 days I will see how helpful choline supplementation is to nicotine withdrawal.


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