How do you get more fat?

(David Russell) #5

35% Heavy Cream :slight_smile:

(Roger Morris) #6

How do you do ZERO carbs? Are you talking about net? What is the “steak challenge”? Add coconut oil, Kerry Gold butter, MCT oil, avocado oil and olive oil to just about anything. NOT ALL ONCE, LOL.

(Sondra Rose) #7

Great idea, but this is in the Zero Carb/Carnivore category. Zero Carb really means Zero Plants in this context, so coconut oil is out.

Tallow, lard, heavy cream, and egg yolks are good animal fats to add, if needed.

Also, if you can find an old-fashioned butcher, you may be able to order mince with 20 percent fat.


You can skip the lemon juice in this recipe and it will be a good zero carb fat addition

(sarah19752711) #9

Zero means zero we’ll as close as possible no plants. I’m only doing steak and black coffee and water it’s what’s Brenda Zorn is doing.


Actually, I am doing the steak challenge, too. And started feeling horrible and very hungry. It was a weird feeling. I couldn’t put another bite of steak in my mouth or else I’d puke, but was voraciously hungry. I also started to gain weight. I then went to the store and bought some vitamin and mineral supplements. To see if that would calm my hunger…and it worked. Not as voraciously hungry anymore. I also lost some of the weight I put on with the steak eating. I didn’t lose all the weight, but at least I didn’t continue to increase in weight. I’m really looking forward to the end on the steak challenge. I discovered that sticking to beef alone does not work for me at all, as it creates nutritional deficiencies. Zero carb does work for me, but when I get protein from a variety of sources. I never take vitamin and mineral supplements, but I had to start taking them with the month-long steak challenge. This tells me that it is not a nutritional way of eating at all for me, not even for short term therapy. It even made me put on some weight, and my clothes feel tighter. I now have to redo whatever happened to my body. I’m considering a one or two week fast to cancel the steak challenge effects.

(sarah19752711) #11

Thank you, so it’s just not me… I’ll try the vitamins see if that helps I lost 6.6lbs in the first week into the second and I’ve put 1.8lb back on. I’m not at the stage of I can’t eat steak but I’m missing my bpc made with butter and cream that used to keep me going till mid afternoon. I’m just not getting enough fat in I’m double protein to fat and my body is not happy. I’m going to give it another week and then switch to zero carb I’ve ordered some 20%fat mince so I can make buttered cheese burgers.

(Roger Morris) #12

Sounds to me like your not taking in enough fat. Steak is mostly protein, and as we know, too much protein is not good. If I may ask, why are you doing this “steak challenge”, and for what reason? I’ve not heard of it, and doesn’t make sense to me. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE a good rib-eye. You are looking for a fattier cut, look for rib-eye cap steaks, and of course finish off with butter.

(I am a Dog (Dog's eat until they burst!)) #13

If you look at most of the steaks that @Brenda posts that have a 1" fat strip. She talked with her butcher to special order these cuts as most people prefer the lean versions. You will have to shop around as some large markets only get beef that is already trimmed of the fat. A local butcher shop may be a good prospect.

(sarah19752711) #14

Thanks, I’ve asked at my local butchers and they won’t cut them like that, apparently there just isn’t the need for them around here. People like lean.:cry: Ve started cooking them in lard to try and get the extra fat that way and it seems to be helping with the hunger so far.

(8 year Ketogenic Veteran) #15

"ZC"or Zero Carb is a way of eating that eliminates all plant foods, including plant oils. Because of no plants, it is nearly always zero carbohydrate.

The “30 Day Steak Challenge” is on this forum and is an experiment. Learn more about it HERE:

(8 year Ketogenic Veteran) #16

They will if you buy the whole or half a primal (10 to 20 pounds at a time).

You’ll have special order it and give them time to get one in and cut it.

Tell them you want NY strip, Tbone, Porterhouse, or ribeye, cut from the primal, with the fat cap left on.

Untrimmed. You’ll have to find someone who is willing to communicate with you. I have also found arrogant assholes who scoff at me.

Any large grocer gets in whole primal.
Looks like they already trimmed the shit out of it but here is a whole NY strip primal:

Here are MY NY strip steaks my local grocer cut from an untrimmed primal as I watched:

Also, be smart and order them when that particular cut is on sale that week.

(dawn.hakala) #17

I loved doing the challenge but I too put on weight and at times get ridiculously hungry, even tho I was eating, at times, 1+ lbs of ribeye or tbones or NY Strips… LOVED the meat… and with how I am at the gym, figured it would work great but didn’t. it did teach me that I don’t need that amount of protein. my BG was all over the board (and I’m not diabetic even a little). So as much as I liked it, it’s not for me either :frowning:


Well, it was not the protein that affected me. It was that it was a single source protein. I’m okay if I get to rotate between fish, seafood, lamb, chicken, pork, beef…etc. The rotation ensures a variety in nutrition, which then sends the signal to my body that I’m getting the nutrition I need. If I eat the same protein source everyday, I fall behind on some nutrients, and then my body thinks a nutrient starvation is happening. This encourages weight gain. This is why I started taking vitamins, to overcome that phenomenon. Just like what Megan Ramos says, changing it up is a good thing.

(Adam Hagen) #19

Many days you might need to eat 2+# of meat to satisfy your hunger depending on how your activity level is. Go to your local restaurant supply store, meat packer or Costco, buy whole ribeye or strip loin, cut your own steaks untrimmed and eat the fat first until you want no more, then eat the lean until you want no more. Also look into 73/27 ground beef, lots of good fat renders out of it, cook it in a cast iron skillet and add all the renderings to the plate or cook your eggs in it, they soak up fat quite nicely! :slight_smile:

(Robbie Murray) #20

Dr. Szofia Clemens recommends a fat/protein ratio of 2:1. Perhaps this would help and also a minimum 400g of liver/week and 200g of brain or bone marrow/week. She also mentions the average male should get approx. 50-60 grams of protein per day.

(Sama Hoole) #21

It’s easy enough. Pick the fatty steaks, ground beef, and add suet, tallow, and butter.

(Vic) #23

Welcome Robbie.

50 to 60 gr of protein a day doesn’t make much sense, that would be 1 miserable 200gr steak a day.
I eat 250 to 300gr protein a day. :wink:


This post was asking for Carnivore plan advice. Seaweed and coconut oil etc. are not carnivore and should not be used. Just some fyi on it.


I leave that impossibly tiny amount for the poor folks who has some special health problem and need to eat low-protein.
Or have some other reasons. I know about the 80% fat with extra restrictions therapeutic carnivore style, if someone needs or likes it, do it but let us normal folks be.

I actually tried to eat only 100g protein as a not active short woman once, long ago… I don’t force myself and I very nearly always failed. On a lowish-calorie day, it’s around 120g and it works fine. If I go lower, I usually just get hungry and end up eating more anyway, I find it very unnatural to desperately avoid eating protein rich items. And if I just try to minimize my protein (without eating a ton of fat, like 2-300g), that’s 120+ g. (Not like I ate less protein when I ate 260g fat… But I think, there is a chance with very careful planning. I don’t do that but there is a theoretical possibility.)
And I had this without meat (not on carnivore of course). Adding meat tends to raise my protein a bit.

Why people think one shouldn’t just eat their fatty protein as natural and enjoyable and working, I don’t know. Why these super low protein ideas? Anyway, it’s not “a man needs this or that amount”. Its gram per lean bodyweight, activity matters, individual factors exist as well… And it’s fine to eat over our needs. To some extent. I probably wouldn’t want to go over 200g but I never thought much about it as it’s easy, even natural for me to stay below.

About the question… I eat fatty protein sources, it’s more than enough.
When I will need way more energy, I will eat fattier meat and add a bit more cream, sour cream. If I need more fat while not way much energy, I focus on more fat tissue but many people find even rendered fat satiating. Rendered fat and cream balloons my energy intake without changing my satiation while fat tissue is effective for my satiation.
There are options. And we can’t necessarily use any fat:protein ratio. I needed more or the same amount of protein in the very beginning to avoid nausea. Now I like them around 1:1 but there is wriggle room. I will slowly raise my fat as I will need more energy but I would have felt miserable if I wanted to follow fixed numbers not fine-tuned for my individual case.

One big benefit of carnivore that I don’t really need to worry about my macros, not like I often did that in my life. My well-chosen carnivore food automatically gives me good ones. My fat:protein ratio is between 0.5 and 2 (but usually 1-1.2, that’s what I like and what is best for my average energy intake on carnivore) and all is well that way.

I can’t even have much idea about my fat:protein ratio when I eat much meat anyway… (Just as a vague average number, maybe.) No one can tell me the fat content, after all. It varies for the same cut, a lot. So I stopped tracking. Yay. It wasn’t fun but I was curious. But now I automatically eat somewhat similarly on my good days, I experienced no problems so… Who cares about the macros?