Carnivore/Zero Carb January 2017!

(Adam L) #83

Yes started them off on the stovetop to brown them & see some fat come out & coat the pan then baked for 1.5hrs @ 150 C. First time I’ve had them but won’t be the last, imagine they’d be great in a stew.

(Adam L) #84

Day 3 done seems too easy, I experienced hunger disappear late last year as I adapted but this is ridiculous. One meal each day in the late arvo/early evening and I’m only eating because I bought the meat & don’t want to waste it & the freezer is full !! I can see this leading to my first attempt at multi day fasting very soon. ZC Jan for me is first attempt at zero dairy within this WOE which is also proving so much easier than I though but it’s early days. Feeling good, being on leave from work and taking it easy no doubt helps a lot. Down 3kg/6lb water weight, blood ketones yet to go above 0.3 measured once daily but no doubt will improve as the days go on and I move further away from the indulgences of the silly season, will KC&KO.

(Charndra Pile) #85

@Joan_Hulvey, I like calling it a “Hunter” diet, simple.

(Jodi) #86

I used to be able to eat large quantities of meat like pork chops or steak, I’ve noticed a huge decrease in that ability the last few years. I totally blew that out of the water yesterday :slight_smile: , I ate 2 huge porkchops for dinner that were unfortunately really well trimmed of fat. However, I have a fridge full of lard so I literally melted an obscene amount in the pan and poured on like a sauce. Wow! I felt full but not bloated or bad in anyway.
I’ve noticed an improvement in my moods already.

I love ZC. :heart_eyes:

(Terry) #87

Day 3 and feeling good!
Since this is my 1st time attempting ZC, I have not limited food quantities. In fact, I’ll probably be somewhat over-eating until I feel a little more secure that I won’t suddenly break down & eat garbage.
Also, 3.5 lbs of water weight gone!

(Henna Selnes) #88

I am happy you are here! Today was kind of hard for me,I am following my body signals, but hola canollas,last night I had the hic-cups for 3 hours,haha can laugh today,until the toilet and I became best friends for about an hour. I kept thinking I need a softer seat on there. Well, I guess out with the old, it is the new year. I am very glad it all goes well for you, just keep your eyes on the prize,health! Great place here.

(nadine1073) #89

Day 5 ZC. Struggling with the no sweetner thing but I know it’s better this way… my hubby is keto so it makes it a bit easier but he loves his cheesecake fluff… I do too but not without sweetner (I tried it :persevere:) ah well. It will get better. I just ate a tbsp of butter hoping it will help. Not hungry enough to eat more meat. Back at work today. Tired already. Will try to stay up til 8pm lol

(Genevieve Biggs) #90

The strict ZC philosophy is not to limit food at all. Some eat 4 lbs of meat in a day! The line of reasoning is that your body needs all the nutrients and energy. So don’t worry about “overeating.” :sunglasses:

(Joan Hulvey) #91

Wow! Just found an interview with Dr Toth:

#92

How can one be eating so much protein on a ketogenic diet? I thought the idea was to eat “moderate” protein based on lean body weight. Dr. Ron Rosedale suggests protein levels even less than the Dudes for optimal health and longevity. I believe protein can increase insulin through gluconeogenisis if too much is consumed.

Does anyone else agree that an meat diet still needs to be “moderate” with more fat consumed to satiety?

(melinda) #93

Well yes you want to eat fatty meat but when your carbs are nearly zero and you’re not taking in unnatural substances, your body isn’t having to process those.

(Sondra Rose) #94

This blog post and the links in the post to previous articles by Amber and Zooko should answer your questions:

(L. Amber O'Hearn) #95

See this thread.

And this.

(L. Amber O'Hearn) #96

The point being that yes, it has to be moderate, but it should be, naturally. ZC/Carnivore is a mostly fat diet, if you are eating fatty meat, or compensating for lean choices with tallow, lard, or butter.

Other things to consider:

  1. Carbs are more insulinogenic than protein is. So if you are suddenly going from 20g carbs to none, you can probably eat some 30 or 40 grams more of protein for the same net effect. (Edited to add: that’s nearly half a pound of steak!)
  2. Depth of ketosis is not the be all and end all of a ketogenic diet. Except in very specific medical situations, if you’re mildly ketogenic, there is probably little benefit to being more ketogenic.
  3. Unless you are diabetic, you can probably stay in ketosis with more protein than you think.
(Genevieve Biggs) #97

Yes, like Amber said, protein only prevents ketosis in those who are diabetic or severely metabolically challenged. Plus, fatty acids are still the primary fuel source, and ketones secondary. Eating carnivorously naturally produces at least 60% fat in the diet, if not 80%. :sunglasses:

(Charndra Pile) #98

So, 4 days without any sweetener (Coke Zero was my caffeine addiction). The ‘Hunter’ diet is easy, as I’ve been mostly doing zc since November.
My stomach is sooo bloated! Is there any way this could relate to the Coke Zero?
I seriously look preggers. I’m not wanting to even look anyone in the eye I’m so disgusted with my gut.

Edit: I did a bunch of Google ‘research’, found out that ditching the caffeine can cause temp water retention, bloating even. Lots of my ‘symptoms’ related well.
When I first began ZC my belly went flat, so looking forward to this resolving soon.
Turns out that I ‘accidentally’ consumed more carbs from the meat sources I used the last two days to eat to hunger. I had looked at the tiny 0.2 per serve, that ratcheted up with the amount I had, oops, live and learn. I certainly recognised an increase in cravings more easily afterwards, and did eat a blob of cheese, but interestingly, this faded fast. I wonder if this is because it was animal based…

(Henna Selnes) #99

Six days for me now. I tested my blood glucose after I woke and it was 8.3. I am so upset. Seriously. Is this way of eating really beneficial for t2d. On the upside,I love this! I am a carnivore no doubting that. I have energy, again, I feel good, sleep good, it’s just the glucose has me worried.

(Terry) #100

I’ve heard that the more insulin resistant you are, the more your body retains water when you eat carbs. I’m just starting day 4 & I’m down almost 7 pounds in water weight. Another reason not to go back to carbs - instant weight gain!

The only (possible) negitive effect I’ve had is sleepiness. Hopefully, going to bed a little earlier last night will help.

(Kerri Hines) #101

Were you already keto before ZC? Did you greatly increase your protein in the last 6 days? You can go ZC without really being high protein too.
I’m also assuming that you were getting lower bg prior to the last 6 days?

(Henna Selnes) #102

Yes my bg was between 5.6 and 6.4. I had been on keto for over a month, more like 6 weeks, before ZC. I IF 20/4 when it was just keto, and was doing great. I AM doing great with ZC, I love it, it feels good, energy, body feels so good, and just the freeing and less stress of what to eat makes me feel happy. I am just wonder will this all level out over time,kind of like the adaption with keto.