I’ve been strict carnivore for almost 3 years what that means is I haven’t had a bite of anything besides animal foods. I found out early that dairy does not agree with me nor do eggs. I rarely eat organ meat, occasionally I like chicken livers wrapped in bacon though. A day of eating for me today was about a pound of roasted chicken with about 4 oz of beef fat. Then I had a pound of ribeye for my second meal. Tomorrow is going to be a pound of cooked pork belly for my first meal and probably the other half of the chicken with added fat from beef for my second meal. Chicken is very unusual but it worked for my budget this week. Normally I eat about a poundand a half of beef in the morning and another pound or so in the evening. Occasionally pork mostly pork belly sometimes ribs. Once a month I might eat some plain grilled wings.
Carnivore info please
So you vote with @Fangs that carnivory is animal only. 
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Me and about 50,000 people in the two groups I help mod yeah as well as all the 10 plus year carnivores I know there’s seven or eight of those…
Here’s a recent writing by Amber O’Hearn http://www.empiri.ca/2019/05/who-is-carnivore-problems-of-names.html?m=1
Not sure if this is really helpful, but in the 1980s I worked with a guy that everybody called “Fungus.”
I’m going to remind everyone that this is civil forum. If anyone is acting inappropriately, then please report it to the admins.
However, is someone’s just annoying to you, because you don’t agree with their point of view, then just ignore the thread and move on. There’s plenty more to read on this forum. No need to pick a fight with anyone.
Not going there, Doug! 
carnivore plan is what it is and you are putting your own spin on it which is wrong. It doesn’t get any simpler truly. You stop giving out wrong plan advice and all will calm down. I am acting fine just defining what the true plan is…not a thing wrong with just that.
No.
but I left it voluntarily cause so many have no clue what the carnivore plan is all about actually. reading that forum was enough to make a real carnivore gag. but I am gonna stop posting and bow out. I truly don’t want anything more to do with this thread. The plan is the plan and the guidelines are known facts.
I see no harm in eating some mushrooms. I used to love them on a steak. It is not like someone is going to bust a jar open and finish it like Ben and Jerry’s. I think of it like a garnish or spice. Is it ridgid carnivore, no. But like I always say, my diet my rules. My carnivore “basic” guideline is, my food must have eyes or come from something that has eyes. Don’t tell anyone but I used spice on my salmon last night (lays down carnivore card and slowly backs away)
from a note 12 year veterans admin and Carnivore
“Eating meat sounds so restrictive only to those who are behind the veil. Once that veil is lifted, one realizes that this really is the only way to be free of restrictions.” – Margot, 9/09.**
I guess it’s time to defend Zero Carb Health (ZCH) and Zeroing in on Health’s (ZIOH) position on the Zero Carb Carnivore Diet. With the new surge of interest in the Zero Carb Carnivore diet, sparked by Dr. Shawn Baker and his podcast with Joe Rogan, we are seeing old familiar term’s used to describe our way of eating and specifically aimed towards the original Zero Carb groups (ZIOH and ZCH). Dogmatic, religious, narrow minded, too strict, cult, militant, zealots, etc.
Now, that we are through Bakers’ first World Carnivore Month, a 30 day all meat carnivore challenge, and “March Meatness Month” we are seeing the expected fallout. This diet is not easy. To quote The Bear: ” I must warn all of you that it is very unlikely that very many will be able to eat as I do over the long term, or in fact, to follow any diet for long which is much different from the one you were trained to as a baby/child. This is because diet is learned much the same way language, dress and behaviour is, and is buried deep and inaccessible, a part of your acculturation/socialisation. The very thing which makes us human is that deep and almost instinctive complex of behaviour.” After 10 years experience of moderating Zero Carb groups, The Bear was right, acculturation is a bitch, most people won’t stick to this way of eating for very long and carb addiction is real.
The bulk of this new wave of carnivores are fitness oriented and the median age is younger than we are used to seeing. Most 20-30 something’s are not yet experiencing the damage their diets are creating, so they really have no good reason to be carnivores except for wanting to be a meat eating, bad ass like Shawn Baker.
I think we can all agree that a ketogenic diet, a diet that primarily uses ketones for fuel instead of glucose, is a healthy diet for humans. Technically, a ketogenic diet allows for some carbs, 20 – 100 grams per day. A ketogenic diet is easier to accept, if up to 100 carbs of plant foods is allowed. Zero Carb was created for those of us who are so insulin resistant, metabolically damaged or addicted to carbs, that we can’t handle any carbohydrates. We learned that the few carbohydrates from animal foods were tolerable and didn’t cause cravings, but the carbohydrates from low carb plant foods, created inflammation and cravings for more and more and more and more. It was not until we dropped all plant foods, oils and sweeteners, that we experienced, not only freedom from constant food cravings, but miraculous healing of ailments we had endured for years.
Those of us who have been Zero Carb for years do not think of this diet as restrictive. This diet freed us from restriction because we no longer want those foods. We eat anything we want and feel no guilt! Steak, prime rib, cheese, shrimp, Blue cheese bacon burgers, fish, oysters, bacon, BBQ brisket, chicken wings, pork ribs, lobster and butter. We no longer see plant foods as food. We do not feel deprived or sad that we can’t have pumpkin pie on Thanksgiving. We don’t want pumpkin pie, not because it’s not ZC, but because we will suffer for days after eating it. To us, plants foods are poison. The suffering we experience from eating sweet foods, plant foods or carb laden foods, is not worth it. Zero carbers eschewing carbohydrates is no more dogmatic than an alcoholic giving up alcohol!
We are not selling anything. We all have jobs and lives that have nothing to do with Zero Carb or diets. We have dedicated our time and money, simply, to share our long term experiences on this amazing, easy path to optimal health. We don’t participate in these groups to convince anybody that zero carb is the healthiest diet. We do this to help the people who have already decided they want to try it. No one has to follow our path, we are just sharing our experience for fellow biohackers looking for health. But, if people want to experience the success that we have, then they must follow the path that we know works best. All we ask, is for people to give it a try for at least 30 days. If people can’t or don’t want to be Zero Carb, the way we defined it, we are OK with that, go be low carb. Don’t hang around and argue with us about why it’s OK for you to eat avocados. If you can eat avocados and feel great, good for you, you are not a Zero Carb Carnivore. Go be low carb or Keto in some other group and leave us alone.
We know this diet is not for everybody. If you feel best eating meat and plant foods, then good for you. Bashing us because we are so strict and calling us dogmatic is not cool. It just shows that you don’t need to be ZC or you never tried ZC long enough to understand why we only eat meat.
I like to have one meal that’s pure meat, so maybe 4-6 pieces of belly pork and a chicken breast, and then earlier in the day, it will be an omelette with bacon, sausage, whatever.
You asked about the “filling up” situation. I find sirloin steak, usually two will fill me up far beyond what any vegetables would.
Keep it basic really!
As a person trying the carnivore challenge this month I can attest that eating only meat is quite different than having a little bit of non animal foods (plant and fungus) every once in a while. I was very surprised that my body went through a transition even though I only had to drop the handful of berries or small amount of lettuce that came with a hamburger.
My favorite podcast refers to eating a small amount of plants “carnivore adjacent,” but I have to agree with the purists that it’s just not the same as pure carnivore.
If one is eating some plants, it should just be considered a more meat heavy form of keto imo.
Burgers with sliced butter for me. I eat about 1.5lb of ground beef split into 3x1/2lb and maybe 50-100g butter a day. I eat more if I’m hungry and less if i’m not.
Before I realised I had issues with histamine I also ate steaks + butter, salmon + butter, pork belly, roast chicken, prawns+ butter, and bacon.
I can’t do cheese or milk but thrive on butter and ghee. I have tested this through various elimination cycles. If it helps you stick to carnivore for the first few months I wouldn’t stress about removing dairy although I would avoid milk and yoghurt.
Personally I was at carnivore-ish for about 9 months, with all animal products and just lettuce/berries/mushrooms/garlic/herbs thrown in a couple times a week. Within a week of dropping the remaining plant and fungi matter and just eating animal products my clinical depression improved such a remarkable amount I’m never reintroducing plants or mushrooms again. I would recommend everyone try ‘pure’ zc for 6 months just so you can truly know if the bite of salad or grilled mushroom with your steak affects you. It might not, or that six months might have healed the gut enough for you to tolerate occasional non-animal foods.
That said, for me I needed to ease my way from SAD to paleo to keto to AIP to carnivore-ish to zerocarb, and I couldn’t have gone straight in as I had a lot of mental baggage to deal with and each step was a new adjustment. So I think for people just getting started, it’s fine to start by going carnivore-ish, the important shift in how you view food is to think of only animal products as food - plant matter (or fungi) are just for flavour, don’t eat them without meat.
Carnivore-ish isn’t the same as zerocarb, and I wonder if acknowledging the difference between current carnivore circles and zerocarb circles would be helpful in these sorts of debates. A lot of carnivore groups these days are more lax, but that’s to be expected if the main aim is for body composition. But it If people have chronic health conditions, then they can be advised to check out zerocarb resources and KetoAF or PKD.
In summary - eat meat, butter is awesome when you’re starting out, carnivore means meat for food and anything else is just flavour or medicine, zerocarb is zero tolerance for non-animal products which can make all the difference if you’re sick and can help people reach a new level of wellness.
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@VirginiaEdie
you summed it up much more succinctly than me! I was so suprised at how much of a difference I felt between eating carnivore adjacent and pure carnivore.
Many things happened since I wasn’t here…
Well, Fangs talked about plants when mushrooms were mentioned, i would correct that myself, mushrooms aren’t plants. They aren’t carnivore food either but that’s another thing.
A carnivore animal usually eats plants too, yep. A human carnivore diet isn’t that relaxed. Just like the followers of paleo diets eat nothing like our anchestors, human carnivores doesn’t eat like carnivore animals (and carnivore animals eat different from each other too). There are rules. Animals are opportunists if their evolution or whatnot allows. Probably some carnivores simply can’t get everything from animals alone because they are very restricted in their choices…? Doesn’t matter, just a thought. Humans are different. We often have more choices, I can buy various kinds of carnivore food, I can add as much fat as I want, I appreciate the variety but especially this latter thing, I would be in trouble if only some lean deer would be my only food source… Well I wouldn’t switch with any animals, I feel a tad envious about beers hunting salmon though but only at that time 
And well, I could buy salmon any time if I really wanted that despite they live very far from here… It’s not like I wouldn’t get bored of it quickly, no matter how awesome it is. But I got carried away.
Mushroom as spice? It’s like condiments for many, onions and garlic in a meat dish… It’s the relaxed version, the border. Eating mushrooms for themselves, alone, mushroom stew or something… That’s… Not carnivore if you ask me and yeah, I am no carnivore but it can’t keep me from having an opinion. But of course, everyone has the right to add whatever they want. Just don’t go too far from carnivore and call it carnivore, it confuses people - but as people seem to have very different idea without carnivore, it’s hopeless anyway…
If I eat half a gherkin with my meat or eggs, I already call my woe carnivore-ish. I like to be safe. But we probably have our own mental games. I cling to some label now as if I don’t, I add more carbs and things get out of hand. I need strictness but not necessary at the level of my definition of carnivore. If I try to do “keto”, I always fail nowadays. But I have my carnivore-ish, it’s strict and relaxed at the same time and still not wrong or misleading 
And I can have my onions in my stew or with my liver (I work on skipping them in the latter case. I liked garlic with pork but it very quickly disappeared. I never really needed much more than salt for a good meat, I don’t get all those marinades and sauces either. if the meat is tasty, it’s enough. if it isn’t, nothing will salvage it for me).
I think i got carried away… So, I understand some fuzziness but people love trying to squeeze things into the label (nothing beats “vegans” eating meat and I met such people. they very passionately reasoned it’s the ancient vegan way and they are entitled to it… and I thought, such people may be the reason I was so not understood as a vegetarian. people didn’t get I didn’t eat meat, not even chicken (???). if people don’t understand a vegetarian doesn’t eat meat, they never will know what a carnivore eats).
Satiation is individual. Vegetables are carbs (or protein-rich and high-carb at the same time, not really for keto) so they always made me hungry, fatty protein is my thing I mean, fat only in my protein source, not added. All such food works for me I think (probably not cheese but no way I would eat much cheese anyway) but other people find certain meats or eggs lacking. So we should try and see. I probably need to avoid living on fatty meat as it’s way too satiating triggering undereating. Maybe not for long but it causes problems even short-term. So we should see what works for us, it may be complex, changing with time, our goals may have a big impact too.
I barely scratched the surface with my tiny carni trials but I can relate. It may sound odd to someone who never experienced it but carnivore may be way easier than normal keto (I can say this only for very short term at this point but I will be able to try it for longer in November, finally. but it’s still an awesome experience). The still present plant carbs on keto can mess thing up epically for some of us even if we still feel “fine”. Sometimes we have already fought many inner battles, trained and learned and struggled, we have skills we don’t even really know about… Only this interference must go and things suddenly become way, way better and we behave like never before.
This feeling is very addictive I want to keep it. And I only need to eat great food that feels good and not eating worse stuff I probably don’t desire at all. Deal.
(I am really curious what I will say after my first long carnivore trial in November. There will be at least small battles in the future I know. But I just got a super huge help and my last year was very promising and better than my keto times. The closer I was to carnivore and the longer I stayed, the better things got. And the changes were impressive despite doing it, well, not really. The longer term real thing must be something special.)
Thanks everyone , I am starting my carnivore diet today . Just worried about no veggies . I have been drinking the diet drinks about 3 times a week. So diet drinks out and just water. And no dairy. Ps I don’t like mushrooms