Can you do keto without coffee? Why not?

(Eric - The patient needs to be patient!) #122

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(Rebecca ) #123

I realize that this is an older topic, but I would still like to add my two cents! Could I do a Ketogenic Diet without coffee? Yes. The question is, do I WANT to do it without coffee? NO!!!:scream: I only have 10 oz each morning with 1 T heavy cream, 10 drops Stevia extract and 2 t MCT whipped in. That is all of the caffeine I have in a day ( I do not believe I am addicted to it). I enjoy every aspect of my coffee “time”. Making it, smelling it and then sipping it while I have my quiet, morning prayer time.
Edit: My son and I had a conversation once about the simple pleasures in life and we both agreed that good coffee is one of them!!

#124

If anyone is interested about me vs coffee… I doubt I will write anything really worth to read, just a bunch of personal facts, maybe it’s interesting for someone, I like to read about how people function differently.

I need to stop drinking coffee already… What am I drinking it? Some stupid old habit, probably.
I like the taste of it but I don’t need to drink it multiple times a day because of that.
Coffee has zero noticeable effect on me (just the water and warmth part) except some common helpfulness regarding output but it’s not like for some people who drink a coffee and poop. It’s some much weaker correlation. It was good for weak headaches when I was young with lots of headache, not anymore (but I almost never have a headache except sleep related and nothing helps then). So, I obviously drink coffee just before bed if I fancy it, it doesn’t matter.
I can’t stand bitter things but my coffee isn’t bitter (it’s almost always black but sometimes it has a few drops of heavy cream or 1-2 eggs, at least the yolks).
I only like instant coffee :slight_smile: Tea is where I have standards (though I am super choosy about coffee. it must NOT be bitter at all and it must be instant - or some expensive other type I don’t buy. cheap not instant coffee is bad, cheap instant is nice if I choose the right brand).

No idea if I am addicted. I am considering I drink lots of coffee every day. But if I run out, I just don’t drink it, no problem (not addicted then, it seems. I just drink it when I have it). I drink cocoa when I have no coffee, only with my meals though but I still have water and tea for the fasting part of the day.

I don’t believe coffee is particularly unhealthy but it seems unneeded.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #125

I’m not sure how coffee became an issue where a ketogenic diet is concerned. If someone who likes the taste doesn’t want the caffeine intake, there is decaffeinated coffee available that actually tastes decent, especially if you buy decaffeinated beans, and grind them yourself.

But caffeine cannot be the issue where coffee is concerned, because I have never heard anywhere that tea consumption has any effect whatsoever, when we are on a ketogenic diet. (Nor does anyone ever object to the caffeine content of chocolate, for that matter.) And despite my repeated challenges, no one has ever troubled to state exactly what chemical in coffee is supposed to cause the problem with a ketogenic diet. Or, depending on whom you read, provide the benefit to a ketogenic diet.

So, is there anyone willing to take up this challenge, or is this post going to sink without a trace, just as all my previous, similar posts have done?

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #126

Not much science, and most of it superficially touched and apparently epidemiological. But an interesting overview of the discovery of the coffee bean and it’s invention as a beverage.

#127

Coffee is a chemical milieu.
We have established it is addictive.
We have established that the caffeine acts via biomimicry of adenosine in the brain thus blocking adenosine receptors and ‘blocking’ natural sleepiness.

Here is some new information from @collaroygal
It relates to how the roasted coffee beans are brewed (processed into a beverage)
It’s interesting information in light of elevated LDL response after coffee consumption as noted by Dave Feldman.
Diterpines effect liver function. Ketones are produced in the liver.

Interesting info on coffee's effect on cholesterol?

There’s still more to find out.

#128

Thank you for sharing your experience, I was buying the Starbucks Espresso blend (ground beans) at the market. After seeing your post, I decided to give a different brand of just medium roast coffee a try. I noticed that one large cup of coffee was all I felt I needed or wanted vs drinking half to 3/4 pot of the Starbucks…makes one consider that it may have been bumping my insulin more than desired :face_with_monocle:

(Full Metal KETO AF) #129

@BeStill The lighter the roast the, higher the caffeine. That’s why you’re satisfied on less medium roast I think. You get the same caffeine with less coffee. :cowboy_hat_face:

#130

:exploding_head: I had no idea lighter was more caffeinated lol, I thought the opposite…learned something new today :grin:

(Full Metal KETO AF) #131

The dark roasting process burns a lot of the caffeine. I drink espresso and I get much more wired from regular American coffee like in a restaurant. :cowboy_hat_face:

#132

Maybe that’s why I start vibrating after drinking a large tumbler with light roast or breakfast blend.

#133

Coffee may mitigate adverse effects of high oxalate ketogenic diets?

Warning: food frequency questionnaire

(Full Metal KETO AF) #134

I’m committed now

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New Espresso machine to combat holiday depression. KRUPS retired yesterday. :coffee:

:cowboy_hat_face:

(Ellenor Bjornsdottir) #135

I actually fell into a bit of a spell where I got indoctrinated by someone who goes a step further than dairy addiction denialism.

I’m out of that, but now I’m h00ked.

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #136

A thought about addiction…

The addiction pathway in your brain is there for a reason. Biochemically, it is the path that romantic love takes. So maybe plenty of good things trigger the addiction response. Of course, harmful things do too. Including sugar.

But if the only “negative” reaction is addiction, maybe that’s fine. The big problems come when you can’t stop doing something that is harmful to yourself or others.

(Daisy) #137

I have had maybe 4 sips of coffee in my life. Can’t stomach the stuff. I’m a 100% water drinker. No tea, no coffee, no sodas, no milks, nothing but water. Plain water. Nothing added, no carbonation, no lemons, no flavors. Plain water. It’s literally the only drink I like.

#138

What’s happening!?

I am sat looking at half a cup of black coffee. Looking at it. Looking at it like I look at a cream donut, like it’s an art installation, a prop, something fake.

I’ve been hurting myself on a carnivore challenge and here I find a new side effect: looking at coffee, not drinking the coffee. Getting half way through and stopping.

Has beef eating killed my addiction?

It’s really nice coffee, but I’m pouring it into a glass jar and putting it in the fridge. Might drink it tomorrow?

Another Carnivore Thread
(Alex) #139

My life without coffee (and all other forms of caffiene including chocolate) is markedly better.

I’m not saying this will be the case for anyone, but if you have any form of autoimmune disease, chronic fatigue, insomnia, anxiety or other mental health issues I recommend you try going without it.

I started just reducing my intake by having days off and being mindful of how I felt, then when I realised that it was skyrocketing my anxiety and that I actually fell straight asleep without it, I went cold turkey and don’t miss it. I miss the ritual, but I have just replaced it by eating a big steak in the morning!

Caffiene is a highly addictive drug. I found it much harder to quit than nicotine, partially because of how normalised it is. But once you’re off it you start to see how dependent everyone is, how much of their waking thoughts it takes up, and how odd it is that we’ve normalised not being able to start the day without our fix of the dark stuff.

If you want to take it as a recreational drug, go for it. But I wish society would stop normalising taking something every day that interrupts our natural sleep cycle and HPA axis function.

#140

Thanks Alex. Good point.

It reminds me of addiction transfer information. Transferring from the normal addictive drug coffee.

(traci simpson) #141

Dr Berry drinks black coffee when he fasts and with his carnivore diet.