K..whats the deal with oxalates?

(traci simpson) #21

Same here. I used to eat spinach and eggs but it would leave this funny feeling, like fuzz in my mouth so I stopped eating it.

(Bob M) #22

I have had a difficult time determining what affects me. I know zucchini does, but I have had spinach and it’s unclear if it affects me. On the other hand, I don’t eat it much.

The same with chocolate. I can’t tell whether it affects me. However, lately, I’ve been eating it with full fat yogurt, which binds to the oxalates. This may be one reason creamed spinach does not seem to bother me.

The other issue is that plants have such a range of chemicals in them, it’s hard to know what’s affecting you.

Anyone seen this graph? It’s an illustration of what happens when you eat plants.

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(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #23

:crazy_face: What’s left? Textured soy protein! Two million plus years of human evolution tell me this is nonsense.

(Bob M) #24

Micheal: It just says to “limit” these. As in eat 75g or less per day. :wink:

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #25

The article actually says:

Women should get about 46 grams of protein a day, depending on age and activity level. Men need about 56 grams. As people get older, they will need more protein to remain healthy and physically active…

These amounts of protein will prevent kwashiorkor wasting and not much else. The authors are just engaging in CYA here. There’s not much wiggle room here for ‘limiting’ protein from animal sources. Therefore, I conclude that webmd is a shill for vege/vegan propaganda.

(Bob M) #26

I actually meant 75g of “meat” per day, which is what one of those crazy studies denigrating meat used…as the HIGH amount of meat eaten.

WebMD is terrible, pretty much for anything.

(Rebecca 🌸 Frankenfluffy) #27

D’you know, this whole ‘women/men’ thing always confuses me. I’m a very slim but absolutely strappingly-built extremely (and I’m not being metaphorical) broad-shouldered 6ft-plus female - I wonder how I would compare to a slightly-built 5ft 6in man in terms of protein requirements?!

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #28

This is a bullshit article. There are some differences due to different hormones and/or other sexual characteristics, but otherwise, I agree with you. And, I think 2x these numbers are a good starting point.

(KCKO, KCFO) #29

From what I read, cooking well along with adding calcium carbonate does reduce the oxalates. I don’t eat spinach raw but I do eat it cooked well. To my knowledge, it has never caused me any issues. And I used to trade ice cream for spinach when in grade school.

And I have given up so much, I refuse to stop my use of cacao powder. Something has to kill you, if it is chocolate for me, then so be it. LOL

(Bob M) #30

I have the same thought. However, I also think it might be possible that there might be benefits going full carnivore, that you’d only get if you went full carnivore. For instance, I’ve seen many accounts of muscle/bone pain reduction after people go carnivore. Peter D. from Hyperlipid has gone full carnivore because of this, and when he reintroduces coffee, his pain comes back.

At some point, I’ll go full carnivore. But coffee for me would be worse than giving up chocolate.

(John) #31

That’s how I feel when I see posts about coffee being bad for you. Apparently everything I consume is going to kill me in some way or another. Coffee, I choose YOU.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #32

It only reduces their ability to bond with minerals you’re eating. But the crystals are still there. And can help form kidney stones, maybe easier in their combined form as calcium oxalate salts. If your concern is arthritis or other issues where oxalates can cause inflammation that probably won’t help either. Hate quoting Wikipedia but I believe this is accurate. :cowboy_hat_face:

(Bob M) #33

Bummer.

If I had to say what is still bothering me after 6 years of LC/keto, it’s muscle pains (torn muscles – can’t do a lot about that), back pain sometimes, and left hip pain sometimes. It’s possible eliminating all plants would help the non-muscular pain. At least I’ve seen enough anecdotal evidence indicating this.

It’s a big step to take, though, especially if you want to zero plants. I’d have to give up my coffee and 1-2 cups of green tea per day. The plants are too bad (most of the lunches I eat have no plants), but even that would be tough.

(Bob M) #34

I found a study where George Hendersen indicates that oxalates are excreted if you’re eating them with calcium (and I think fat). Unfortunately, the study is behind a paywall.

(Heather Meyer) #35

yes! thats the exact feeling i get…my tounge feels fuzzy

(Heather Meyer) #36

wow! are you my twin? Im 5"11 3/4s built like a linebacker! lol :heart_eyes:

(Rebecca 🌸 Frankenfluffy) #37

Must be!

In build, I’m a very wide 6ft-and-a-quarter-of-an-inch tall gingerbread man.

I was rolled out very thin yet cut out with the extra-wide cutter. #blametheparents :rofl:

My husband has the dainty shoulders of a :chess_pawn: chess piece. My own shoulders are perpendicular to my spine, and could span the width of a motorway.

Yesterday I was out of my comfort zone at a meeting in corporate-land. I wore heels in order
to - cringe - justify my height! #powerdressing

(Heather Meyer) #38

lol…yep…our husbands must be related…my husband is as skinny as a salamander and stands lean and narrow… 136 lbs soaking wet and 5"10

#39

Apparently drinking coffee or tea during a carnivore trial will help prevent Oxalate dumping.

It didn’t work for me. I’ll just note that. But if maybe I had maintained a bit of dairy as well, such as double cream in the coffee, the adverse effect of the oxalate dumping may have been mitigated a bit more. Due to the calcium binding up the oxalates rather than the magnesium?

Can you do keto without coffee? Why not?
(Erin Macfarland ) #40

@amwassil these are excellent…thanks for sharing! Anything from Amy always is though :heart: