Best time of Day for blood ketones?


#21

Actually there is an analysis that says that the factor that keeps one fasted is the absence of carbs, not the absence of fats. However, for females who have not fully completed the climacteric - we have a profound biological wiring that throws us into starvation-mode fat storage rather quickly on behalf of the species - there is the argument that just a tiny bit of carbs (1 or 2 gms of half n half) added to the fatty coffee, helps the primal biology be successful at maintaining fat burning.

Also, IF with fats gives the digestive tract an enormous rest whilst feeding the brainā€™s neurological work. This plays a role in not only reducing enzyme load and enhancing the restoration of natural enzyme balance - but helping folks show up to things that benefit from an awake brain - like driving moving vehicles, producing at jobs and communicating in relationships!

I have been implementing IF with fatty coffee and 2gms carbs the last month and have found it remarkable for addressing the mama-bear belly fat (irrelevant to poundage as I donā€™t believe in weight scales for myself on more than a quarterly or yearly basis).

Iā€™m a night owl and still becoming keto-adapted I think, in month 5 and as a midlife person at age 51. I occasionally check my ketones with ketonix sticks before bed, in the wee hours of the morning. Consistently high - and undisturbed by modest wine w/dinner a few times a week. I tend to be convinced that the real action of ketones is seen in blood levels - weak ketonix sticks during the day may not mean ketones are inactivated or ā€œlowā€, they are at work in the physiology. This is apparently validated when one has the funds to get regular lab biomonitoring and medical overviews on progress, which is generally not covered by insurance (if one even has it).


(Consensus is Politics) #22

An observation concerning morning BG levels and Ketones in urine (currently the only ketone Test I have. I believe blood testing will show much different results as will breathalyzer results.)

I had heard about ā€œsunrise syndromeā€ for diabetics. Before I was Dx with T2D I never heard such things. Never cared. I now do, so Iā€™m interested in anything I read about it.

Sure enough, my BG levels were much higher in the mornings. Before Keto, my BG levels were hitting the low 300ā€™s while on Metformin. An hour or two later before breakfast, it will have dropped into the low 200ā€™s.

After starting Keto and quitting Metformin, my morning BG would be just under 110. An hour or two later, breakfast or not, BG levels would be in the 80ā€™s.

Shorty after stating Keto I began testing urine for Ketones. I didnā€™t follow any pattern for testing, just whenever I thought about it. Results were very low. Almost no change in color. I stopped checking for a couple of weeks. Once I began testing again, I was testing first urine of the day. Wowā€¦ the Test strip was maxed out. Had me worried for a minute. So I tested again next time I had to go. Reading was down by 25% on the Test strip. A big difference, so I tested again the next time I needed to go (typically between 4 and 6 hours, I never bothered with checking the time). Progressively lower with each reading, and my bedtime reading was the lowest, barely reading at all. Next morning a complete repeat. I didnā€™t bother trying to log the results, but they were about as identical as I could remember. Same thing a few days later. I did 4 or 5 tests throughout each day with near identical results. Basically a slow reduction in urine Ketones until the end of the day.

A few days later I over indulged in a meal around 3pm. It included a few carbs, maybe as high as 5 grams, but that was it for the entire day. The next morning my BG was 134. I thought, that maybe, I just blew myself out of Ketosis. So I did a urine Ketone check and again it was maxed out.

I did some thinking. I was pretty sure riding my stationary bike for an hour would burn off the excess sugars, but what would happen to the ketones?

N=1 experiment it is. Bike for about 1 hour. Gave myself a cool down of about 20 minutes. Just relaxed a bit. Took readings again. BG level was in the 70ā€™s and ketones were barely visible on the test strips. I went from one extreme to the other in less than two hours.

This leads me to believe that checking ketone levels by urine will be skewed depending on amount of exercise done prior to the reading.

The ketones in the urine are the excess ketones not used for fuel. So I would suspect not seeing any, or trace amounts just means that your body is simply using them. And if you want an accurate assessment of ketone levels, do blood tests or breathalyzer. Iā€™ll be looking for one of those cheap alcohol breath testers soon.


(Kitty) #23

Maria Emmerichā€™s book says to test first thing in the morning in a fasted state.


(Betty Holden) #24

Allison - Iā€™ve had that problem too. Iā€™ve been on keto for about 4 months, and have not reached ketosis yet. I eat under 15 carbs per day, lots of fats and good vegetables. In the beginning I lost about 7 lbs. Then nothing. In fact, I have gained about 3 lbs back. I donā€™t get it. Iā€™m doing something wrong, but donā€™t know what it is. Did you ever come up with a solution? Thanks!


#25

Have you tried fasting? Itā€™s guaranteed to work. Just stop eating until you get into ketosis. Then resume eating and monitor it. You may need to do intermittent or extended fasting on a regular basis.


(Dan Morrison) #26

It sinters\esting to test, but more ketones doesnā€™t mean you are going to lose more weight. Donā€™t chase ketones. You will save yourself hard ache and money


(Stephanie Lofton) #27

Probably too much protein. Iā€™d keep the high fat but drop carbs to 20 and protein maxed at 75


(Phil Gilbert) #28

For the past few weeks iā€™ve done a ketone blood test before eating in the morning. Ketone levels have averaged .6 to .9 each day. Is that an adequate level? Having not eaten for 10 to 12 hours, I wasnā€™t sure if that was appropriate. Would they go higher after Iā€™ve eaten through the day? Iā€™m new to this so Iā€™m really trying to learn.


(Linda) #29

Itā€™s worth researching the net carbs concept. My understanding is net carbs is total carbs minus fibre. Pretty sure I heard on one of the podcasts that we should count total carbs.

Wonder if you track total carbs for a few days to ensure youā€™re not inadvertently consuming more than you aim to?


(Cindy Schulle Warner) #30

Well, ā€œKeeping Keto with Drew Manningā€ says to count total carbs and start with no more than 30 total. Or you can go down some from there. Personally I try to keep my total carbs below 25 and/or my net carbs around 15 or so. I try for about 85 grams of fat, about 55 grams of protein. Iā€™ve lost 36 pounds in almost 7 months and lots of inches. Keep right on! Go Keto! Go you!!!


(Jaqueline Pittore) #31

Hi Cindyā€¦ Iā€™m having trouble coming up with anything above 70 g of fatā€¦ can you give me an example on how you reached that high?
Thanksā€¦
J.


(Cindy Schulle Warner) #32

Hey there, Jacqueline. For instance, letā€™s take a look below at my MyFitnessPal diary from a couple of days ago.

Also, please note that a good way to meet a fat goal is to incorporate cheese, butter, good oils, MCT oil, avocado, eggs, etc. almost excessively. Nuts (I often hear about pecans, almonds and walnuts) are especially good for what we need as they are a good source of fat and many other nutrientsā€¦ all the while watching other macros and calories. :wink: Yeah, you might google for fat bombs, search for fat bomb recipes on google or at Pinterestā€¦ They are high fat and fairly reasonable on calories depending upon the size of the fat bomb.

I hope some of this/these info/iseas are helpful.

Cindy

If you need help setting macros or goals by grams, you might check out www.ruledme.com. Look for their calculator. I use it and occasionally recalculate my suggested numbers based upon my ever changing weight.

The screenshots below are probably in revserse or, or close to it. I hope that will not be too confusing.

Also, a good way to meet fat goals is to use cheese, butter, good oils, avocado also excessively. Of course while watching other macros and calories.


(Jaqueline Pittore) #33

Thank you Cindyā€¦. This is great helpā€¦.Iā€™m such a visual learner and your stats helped me a lotā€¦.


(Cindy Schulle Warner) #34

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Thank you Cindyā€¦. This is great helpā€¦.Iā€™m such a visual learner and your
stats helped me a lotā€¦.

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Hey there, Jacqueline. For instance, letā€™s take a look below at my
MyFitnessPal diary from a couple of days ago. Also, please note that a good
way to meet a fat goal is to incorporate cheese, butter, good oils, MCT
oil, avocado, eggs, etc. almost excessively. Nuts (I often hear about
pecans, almoā€¦

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Thank you Cindyā€¦. This is great helpā€¦.Iā€™m such a visual learner and your
stats helped me a lotā€¦.

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MyFitnessPal diary from a couple of days ago. Also, please note that a good
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oil, avocado, eggs, etc. almost excessively. Nuts (I often hear about
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(Binge) #36

I wanted to post this from an article I read.
ā€¦ā€Once your body is in a ā€œketo-adaptedā€ state, it will be very efficient and using the acetoacetate that it produces from your fat and you will have a lower level of ketones that are reading on the strip. This is misleading. You are actually deeper in ketosis but the strip says you are less so. ā€¦ā€


(Dara Altadonna) #37

is this true?


(Ron) #38

Yes it is.


(Chris Robertson) #39

Iā€™ve only been on keto for about 4.5 weeks but I have been testing very regularly. My ketones are always low when I first get out of bed. They dip even lower at around 11am and start climbing back up around 1pm. They then dramatically spike at 3pm then slowly tapper off for the rest of the day. My wife has a specific pattern too and herā€™s is very different than mine but still consistent. This has lead me to believe that once you establish your own personal pattern then it doesnā€™t matter when you take the measurement. Up until recently I was establishing an average rating of all my daily measurements but now that I have a month of measurements under my belt Iā€™m only measuring at 11 and 3 and averaging those. Later Iā€™ll start measuring only once a day and I donā€™t think it matters if I do it at 11 or 3 as long as I understand that if Iā€™m doing it at 11 the reading will be low and if Iā€™m doing it at 3 the number will be high.


(Lisa D) #40

Wow, thats great! Congrats!!! Do you count calories too? I only want to lose 10 lbs but having trouble eating 1200-1300 calories per day when most of the calories are from fat!? Iā€™m a 51 yr old who wants her clothes to fit well again. Iā€™ve been on keto for about 2 weeks have FINALLY gotten past the feeling crappy KetoFlu and feel amazing. I drink a ton of water and my scale now actually says I weigh more. I know Iā€™m not to worry about the number on the scale, but I do need my jeans to fit with no ā€œmuffin topā€ anymore. So in short and back to the question. Do you count calories? Great work on losing 36 lbs, thatā€™s amazing!