Vegan Diets are the healthiest, according to new study

(mole person) #38

The hunters will drink some blood after a fresh kill but this isn’t a daily affair and the women and children do not.

The section is long but here is a chunk where he says that a distaste for salt was actually common in pre Columbian America.

***Roxy is an Inuit who was arguing that the white man’s liking of salt was cultural rather than necessary for health. He compared it to their own incorrect belief that tobbaco is healthful.

Roxy did not know, but I did as an anthropologist, that in pre-Columbian times salt was unknown or the taste of it disliked and the use of it avoided through much of North and South America. It may possibly be true that the carnivorous Eskimos in whose language the word salty, mamaitok, is synonymous with with evil-tasting, disliked salt more intensely than those Indians who were partly herbivorous. Nevertheless, it is clear that the salt habit spread more slowly through the New World from the Europeans than the tobacco habit through Europe from the Indians. Even today there are considerable areas, for instance in the Amazon basin, where the natives still abhor salt.

http://www.comby.org/documents/documents_in_english/stefansson-diet-adventures.htm

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #39

Huh! Fascinating. You learn something every day. Many thanks for taking the trouble to post that. :+1:

(mole person) #40

Your welcome! I find it all super interesting but don’t really know what to make of it.

(Bunny) #41

Except for the meat part it is close to a ketogenic diet but it would still be difficult to maintain (without meat) and also because of the lack of enough exogenous fat (cholesterol; HMG-CoA Reductase) and too much sugar in the diet leading to future cardiovascular, diabetes and Alzheimer’s disease etc? (biomarkers look good now but what is the efficacy with that long-term?)

Here is the problem though, and most important thing to remember and that is the biomarkers or benchmarkers that are being used as the quotients idea of “healthiest diets*” are being compared to a healthy sugar burner (lean mass or highly muscular) and therein lies the problem and we all know what happens in that case long-term as you can see above?

The ketogenic dieting community should have a different set of biomarkers* so our physicians could have something like a physicians desk reference and laboratories should also have a different set of testing benchmarkers* to make a clear distinction between exclusive sugar burners and glucose/ketone burners?

As Dr. Boz and Hyperlipid point out just carb up 3 days before your phlebotomy lab tests or OGGT and you will look “normal?” To me that is scary??? This whole “healthiest” vegan looks like a Wolf in Sheep’s clothing?

*See Also: Low carb diets could shorten life (really?!) - Dr. Zoe Harcombie PhD

(Todd Allen) #42

I keep hearing “keto is not sustainable”, “we don’t know the long term health impacts of keto”, and “keto is a fad”. I think these comments confuse keto with veganism. I say “please, pass me the butter”.

(Bunny) #43

Traditional Inuit children do in fact eat and drink raw blood, fat and meat:

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Thought about going carnivore but
(mole person) #44

Oh cool! Good to know. Thanks!

What I’d read was that traditionally the hunters would drink the blood and eat the liver and the women and children more generally got other parts. But that was talking about seal hunting. Maybe in larger animals there is enough blood to go around.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #45

It is probably helpful to realize that it’s not ‘salt’ per se that is really relevant. It is the overall balance of sodium, potassium, magnesium, calcium and a few other lesser minerals that’s important. As long as one gets these important nutrients it doesn’t matter whether by eating them or adding them to food. My guess would be that those cultures who ‘abhorred salt’ got the necessary minerals in their food.

(mole person) #46

Oh, I absolutely agree. It may even be the case that in a physiological milieu where you eat nothing but meat and fat from infancy the requirements for salts are different. This is part of my interest. I find it hard to fathom that native carnivores were able to supplement salts at the level many people find necessary on a ketogenic diet.

(Carl Keller) #47

A few friends and family members who know I am LCHF would keep asking me “Are you still doing keto?” with that expectation that I would return to all the things I used to be addicted to (and they still are). Seven months later… they stopped asking. :slight_smile:

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Dang… Looks like they brought down the notorious cherry pie-filling beast.

(Carl Keller) #49

I’m picturing all the picky american kids who won’t eat this or won’t eat that, juxtaposed with the kids in this photo. I imagine the average kid around here would faint if they were told this is what’s for dinner.

(Jane- Old Inky Crone) #50

That is so true.
Thanks for the laugh! :joy::rofl:

#51

Being that the traditional Inuit diet was high in sea salt found in fish and raw blood, along with seaweed in some locations - that would make sense. That’s salty food! Unlike in other cultures in different climates and food traditions.

However, the fact that salt extends hydration when on long walkabouts or during drought or migration is also part of ancient histories.

#52

Thank you! I love these photos, especially the second one one with the bloody teacup and smiling child. I first saw that one about 5 years ago, and it really impacted me. You can practically feel the cold breeze and the wide open spaces in it.

(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #53

You forgot that it’s also going to kill us, lol!

#STILLDOINGKETO #NOTDEADYET

(mole person) #54

You’re absolutely right. I’ve been thinking about this since @atomicspacebunny shared her pictures too. We tend to think of meat the way we eat it, but when you kill an animal everything is awash in their blood. We drain the blood out for preservation and now we’d be disgusted by a super bloody piece of meat. But that’s how it would have been mostly eaten traditionally and I bet it tasted great. So there would have been far more salt in all their meat then we get from ours.

Love this forum. So thought provoking.

(Anne Marie) #55

My husband follows a bunch of YouTubers for various topics (not diet related). He said that more and more YouTubers he watches who were strict vegans have stopped eating vegan for health reasons.

#56

Blood traditionally being consumed with or in meat depends on where and when we’re talking about. For the Inuit and Maasai, sure. For many other peoples as well around the world. But it’s easy enough to look to the Kosher regulations against consuming blood and how to prepare meat to see at least one instance of avoiding blood going back a few thousand years (and that was one dietary regulation they considered to be technically even pre-Kosher and applying to everyone, unlike a lot of the other Kosher rules). It wasn’t until around the 1400s (as far as I can tell) that Christians were allowed to consume blood, and that wasn’t even all (Catholics lifted the ban, Orthodox, having already separated, did not, and still cannot consume blood as far as I can tell). Halal food also requires draining all the blood from meat.

That may explain some of the widespread cultural differences on the matter. Much of Europe and much of the Near/Middle East (and probably Northern Africa) would have developed for a few thousand years without consuming blood, but in the last 600 years a large chunk of that would have possibly started up, though may still have an ingrained aversion to it in many places/ not have updated their cooking, while new places they went to (since expansion accelerated after that point) would not have been discouraged to the same extent from continuing with their animal blood consumption, even under colonization.

There may be something to all this in general, as blood born pathogens can be pretty severe, but perhaps with the right context can reduce the risks, and perhaps such a context wasn’t/isn’t available everywhere.

#57

People cannot survive on an all meat diet. :sarcasm:

I am not fully keto again after pregnancy, but seeing videos like this make me simultaneously dumbfounded and angry. Dumbfounded and angry that I have been lied to my entire life. I am taking some sociology courses right now, and we are discussing how the media can be misleading. And I am dumbfounded that the entire medical profession has taught us that this type of diet is dangerous and not sustainable. But the diet we SHOULD eat is in reality killing us, and I truly believe, not acutely, but killed my parents.

I have feelings. lol.