Twelve Days of Carnivore!


#141

great carnivore day

food yesterday was

12 oz ribeye steak
1/2 rack pork ribs which were delish (got a few leftover)
tin of sardines

I had a darn sinus headache. Kinda shut me down a bit and food wasn’t a draw at all but yes I could sure still eat some in the day LOL

I hit the grocery early for some stuff I needed for my trip tomorrow. 4 days in the cold mountains camping…ahh, change of scenery I must have and wanna go but that cold is like glaring at me and I will bring ALOT of clothes on this trip LOL

but I see the same cashier alot of times and she is about my age, shorter and overweight but not by alot but she came up to me after I checked out and said, wow you look like you lost more weight? and I said not that much but I feel so much darn better and ever so slowly I am losing some lbs. and still getting leaner all the time and she said, well I know you are keto plan, and I said, nope real fast, I am zero carb cause keto plan is alot different than what I do actually…and she said well do you know the keto plan, and I said I sure do. She asked how to do it, how hard is it, and all that and I said that she should think basics of real food. Just meat and veg. I grabbed my smoked sausage package out of my grocery bag and said see this, the carb information, that is key cause ya wanna stay around 20g of this only per day and that puts you on a keto plan path. I said don’t worry on your meats and good fats, just focus on the carb intake of the other foods you do eat and she then said the dreaded stuff we all hate to hear, well, my problem is bread and such and I don’t know how I could give that up…ugh…I said big changes for health in life don’t come without a price tag and only you can determine your actions on how bad ya want changes :wink: I said I wanted health so I went all in and I said that is me, you got to determine you in all this and detoxing off sugar is rough as heck LOL but once achieved is such a thing of beauty but only way to know that is to do it. What actions/changes you make trump everything to receive health benefits so that has to be just a personal decision.
So we chatted alot longer and I don’t know, she is tip toeing toward it all but not sure if she has that killer instinct to go all in and go for it. I said there are Keto forums and such and she said no, being more of a dinosaur then me in that respect to social media stuff, and said she wouldn’t be doing online stuff for info and I said buy a book! read up! She said she might do that tho.

So I think I left her with a good way to move forward but it is that you can lead a horse to water…

zc going extremely well for me. All calm and settled on plan. Just cruising thru the holiday time in fine form.


(Vic) #142

First meal of the day.
Cheese omlet with agnus cheese burger.
Had 2 of them.


(Vic) #143

Indeed, you may have opened a path to health, pulling her away from the cliffs to heart disease and cancer…who knows.


#144

I wonder tho on ‘her old thinking’ cause one of the things she said is…all that meat and fat, isn’t that heart attack time? I said it is ONLY heart attack time IF you combine it with a high carb intake which is the everyday menu of all unhealthy people, which I was one LOL but I don’t know if she got it, what I was saying. Eat high fat big protein and no carbs…great. Eat high fat big protein and BIG carbs you got troubles brewing LOL

but I only hope she gets a darn book and reads. One has to understand some truths behind combinations of food intake with carbs and fat etc. to ‘get it’ ya know.


#145

Poor guys, I heard about people without their usual Christmas family gathering in the radio too. So it’s even banned at some parts of the world? Ouch. In Hungary, the decision will be made today but our family is tiny and Hungary never had quarantine. We have a curfew now but not being outside at night is no big deal, at least to me, I wouldn’t go out anyway at that time.
We will have our usual family Christmas, I guess, I am not that much into it actually, the food isn’t to my liking and I meet those people often anyway. And I suck at gifts so I just bake/make something but they tend to be carby even if they don’t have added sugar… Maybe I will paint rocks this year but that’s a too tiny gift even from me. Well Alvaro’s brother gave us (fancy) cat food one year :smiley: We were happy with that.

I am careful so I stick to my original idea, my next carnivore(-ish) trial starts on the 25th of December. If we go. If it will be here (oh no. I don’t even have a tree, I didn’t find my cute little plastic one. we lost it in this small house years ago), the time will change as Oti will need her friend’s help as she doesn’t have a car and she can’t come here, it’s either a long cycling (only 20-something km but much for her) or bus and 40min walking (for me. it would take hours for her except she couldn’t do it). We live in the middle of nowhere according to some people. I think I live in a good place with a nice view between 2 smallish but pretty mountains, there are forests, a wildlife park and a pond full with fish… There are drastically more trees than people, perfect. Foxes enter my property (I still lack a fence here and there. goats sometimes eat my medlars and some small animals the low hanging grapes)…
It’s a bit sad the garden yields only fruits, not something more useful for me :smiley: If I had a bigger place or just some flat part, I would keep hens but it’s mostly a steep slope with fruit trees everywhere - except the spots with decorative trees and bushes.

My midnight eating came back and it’s not good for various reasons but I started to eat too early yesterday… I hope I will go back to my ideal and lately usual rhythm.
I went very close to 2 pounds of meat yesterday, pork, turkey, liver, very little smoked pork… No eggs and little cheese so of course. It was inevitable.
As time passes, I understand less and less how anyone is able to eat super tiny protein (and I had big problems in the beginning already). Especially on keto. Can’t comprehend it even though I could plan a keto day like that. It just would be horribly artificial and lacking. And I would end up grabbing some big piece of meat with 100g protein or something. I have 2 big chicken legs, they both are close to that, easy to eat at once. Oh yeah, I will try to get satiated with chicken again. I just can’t believe it’s impossible. Maybe harder but being hungry after 1 kg chicken thighs with skin… Makes little sense to me. All the other food with those macros work.
My lowest protein intake was around 60g on my experimental low-carb plant-based days some years ago. I eat 80-100g protein on my super rare low-calorie (~1000 kcal) days but I typically eat around 2000 and I can’t raise my fat/protein ratio very much).
So when I read about eating 30g protein a day… I don’t know what to imagine. A sea of fat with something else in it? An eggplant fried in 100g fat (it absorbs that, I tried)? All the food I am willing to eat in bigger amounts (and doesn’t have lactose. my body turns off all desires when I eat a significant amount of that) is protein rich.

By the way… I so want to try super fatty cheeses. I need to figure out where to find them. LIDL had some once but I happened to not go to the city or the nearby town then. 20km isn’t a big distance but I am not always willing to cycle that much (multiplied with 2).
Mine are 26-35% now. I have a sausage, a bit too fatty but works together with other things, that’s 47% fat (85% calorie percentage).
My fattiest dairy (except the butter, of course) is mascarpone.
I should shift my focus to fat in the future, I will need more calories… I hope… I want to be active and more muscular :smiley: It’s one thing I had to avoid too fatty things and especially added fat to make sure I don’t have too many overeating days in the past (a decade long habit), it’s probably not a problem anymore - but without plants, I like to keep my fat/protein ratio not very high. All my proper food is like that. I am sensitive to this ratio, automatically eat the way I like. I add some different item? I balance it out with a fattier/leaner one. I am so, so thankful I don’t need a ton of energy - I probably couldn’t eat insanely high protein, it’s too satiating (except possibly chicken) but eating way too much fat for my protein wouldn’t feel nice in the beginning. So I should subtly train myself. I just don’t want to do it yet, I want to lose at this point and fattier eating is for the future. But maybe I will try to collect nice, fatty snacks. I still didn’t try frozen butter :smiley: Just mascarpone mixed with butter and some flavor… On keto I had chocolate until carni broke me and I don’t like it anymore…
I just wonder about these things sometimes, I can’t keep my mind from that, I don’t stress over it and I can’t force anything on myself… But I know I will need a tad fattier woe at some point if I want to do things ideally. We will see, in the very beginning I couldn’t even do this fatty meals and I ate mustard all the time to handle my fatty protein without vegetables… Things changed and surely they will keep changing.
Amazing but I don’t miss my eggs much. I love to have some at hand if the fancy or need emerges but I am quite fine as long as I have various meats and a little cheese. For a while, at least. My slight meat aversion quickly went away but I have liver now anyway and it’s nothing like the pork shoulders :smiley: I don’t eat much liver but that little amount makes a big difference (I still don’t want roasted pork shoulders for a while, that 3 pounds were A LOT for me alone and lasted 11 days, paired with chicken and turkey… but I can eat other meat dishes just fine).

And Alvaro DOESN’T come home today. The doctors keep changing their minds. He had enough. He has a vegetable as a roommate (sorry but very close to the truth) and he will just walk out tomorrow if they don’t want to let him properly (he is supposed to get a proper vehicle as he can’t walk or sit for long yet). With all his broken ribs and vertebra and swollen leg and seriously handicapped immune system (it’s probably the worst all his life, I mean the future too as he had splenectomy 10 days ago). We are so, so similar, I tend to leave against the wishes of doctors too though I never had such a serious accident. I am on his side but I really, really hope they bring him home and Oti wouldn’t like that anyway, to put it lightly. Oti thinks he shouldn’t use a simple car even in a week when he gets vaccinated due to lack of spleen. So his own legs, now… She would be mad. But Alvaro is stubborn like me and mental health is important too. But why would they try to keep him in for longer against his wishes when they can’t do more for him there? Let’s hope for the best.

Sigh. I made the liver and chicken legs and everything ready before today :frowning: (I have soup too but clear, not even meat in it as it’s from the turkey legs I roasted and ate afterwards.) Good thing they don’t spoil easily. But I was so ready for him to come home today :frowning: I heated up the house nicely too (I needed that to some extent, actually, I was fine with 14 Celsius downstairs and 16 in my room the first days, I couldn’t care less but it’s over)…
Okay, just one more day but it’s still disappointing and sad. I am fine but he isn’t, he hated being there days ago… But he got his laptop and wrote his story with photos and everything. He likes to write articles and fanfics sometimes.

I didn’t want to write this much but I am here, in a gloomy weather, all alone… No humans near me since almost a week (I saw 2 people during this time, from far away)… That’s very nice actually except the serious lack of Alvaro. I am not particularly lonely but I had enough too.


#146

I’m trying to organise a shoulder of venison to go in the kettle bbq for Christmas lunch.

My nephew is trying to source saltwater crocodile to try (our version of alligator) :crocodile: I once ate alligator in New Orleans. Well, they said it was alligator. It tasted like snake. Reptile meat is white like some fish.

On the 7th day of Feastmus
My true love fed to me
A long 9am sleep in
A walk at the beach
A dunk in the cool ocean
Break fast at 12
3 fresh eggs and bacon
Cooked as an omelette
Covered in Norwegian cheese
deep fried in pork, beef and chicken fat
One black coffffeeee!
Then a day of art creation.
Now 15.5oz (440g) of eye fillet steak
7 hours later

Chocolate cravings gone
After 1 week of carnivore
It was a sheep fight
But you got me here
and a sunset on the pear tree.


#147

ohhh sorry on that for both of you!! I know he wants home, home is the best place to heal :slight_smile: but he is improving so if he needs a few more days then so be it, he will be coming home literally for the holidays tho!!

I agree with you, those who eat SO little protein, I don’t get that either, how do they make it ya know? they don’t in the long run, they suffer eventually and need more!

On the family get togethers, it is not mandatory, it is families are choosing to not be together if apart from so many different locations that some are so cautious ya know. Many are making it work tho still and it is all on how comfortable one is about ‘the covid’ thing out there and age of elderly and more…so many making personal decisions on how to roll. I guess it is what it is in the end for all of our families and holidays.


#148

yea we ate gator in the south and that gator was ‘so fried in deep breading’ with like NO meat in it…it was a terrible product and just sucked.

Now a big old hunk of tail flesh and you cook it…heck yea…the crap they put out in restaurants around our area, ick.

little meat in those nuggets was delish tho…I could easily eat alot of gator but not a main store purchase in my area.


#149

Yes, it’s the case in Hungary too. Not in my family as we go to visit anyway… We just don’t hug and kiss.
But I guess there is quarantine somewhere in the world just like in the past, the situation isn’t better now in Europe (and way, way, way worse in Hungary. in the first wave we rarely had more than 100 new cases a day, we were very good for an European country. now 6000 isn’t unusual). And some families live in different countries… And there are big families… Our Christmas dinner is for 4.


#150

Looks amazing @Septimius. Thanks for the share.


#151

yea same here. our xmas dinner is us 3 in the family.
my mom who is 92 won’t come and his mom that is almost 80 now won’t come, they are covid scared and I get it…so yea many are just being watchful for what it is with each of us and same…we are not kissing/huggy types either LOL


#152

Hey Peeps.
Can I just take a minute to whine, cry and fuss? Please? Need to confess…I not only fell off the wagon. I am the one in the meme…who dragged the damn wagon into the woods, lit it on fire, burned it and collected the insurance money that I then used to buy cookies. okay whew. Feel better.

Need to start over. This is such a hard time to start over, but start we must. I think I need a 12 steps program to integrate with the 12 days of Carnivore. Cannot believe how badly I’ve fallen in just 3 days’ time. The work schedule combined with a lot of extra activities, plus hubby’s pleading with me to make homemade bread , just sent me into a dark dark place. How did I get here? Stress, shortage of time, too many temptations, (Which never used to tempt me), lack of eggs…and kids who eat every.last.shred.of.food. As soon as I get done on the computer, I am going downstairs to dive into the chest freezer and yank out some steaks, roasts and ground beef.Going to double wrap everything I cook, and stick it in my workshop fridge so they can’t get to it.

The egg thing has been killing me. I come home from work, want to fix some eggs, there are none. Hubby took them, and put them in the incubator. We have a mink in the yard that has been stealing some, no doubt. The kids ate the rest of them. Forgot I had some eggs stored in the basement with my waterglassing technique. I did get into those yesterday, so I have a big bucket of them to work with now. Got very stressed at work yesterday - which is very unlike me. Blew it with some cookies in the breakroom. Totally not worth it. And then, the final - and probably biggest problem has been making the homemade bread. That stuff is killer - in both the figurative and literal manners. Ate some on Friday night. (We had company, I had worked all day, got home - was hungry and it was there.) I hurt the next day. Ate some more Saturday and Sunday. Each day, my body hurt worse and worse. But…addiction to wheat is no joke- and I ended up craving it. Today, I could hardly get out of bed. Work yesterday was miserable, too. So. Starting over.

Not much else to say. Just sad and disappointed that I fell so far. And feel like crap. Going to drink water, take my vities and try to get my ■■■■ together. Have a good day all.


#153

Hugs :hugs: to you SecondB!

Today is a new opportunity! Just let that wagon fire :fire: fuel you into a better now!


#154

There’s room up on my wagon. 7 days after reset. Feeling better. There are sheep fights ahead. But we’ll take them one at a time.


#155

Yup and I been there, done that so you are in great company on what it takes to change long term over time LOL :crazy_face::heart_eyes_cat:

It is ok but NOW there is one thing you ‘need to see’ and that is WHY you went off…and you got a few factors hitting you at once. Easily on that and that is worse cause then we just lose that control…I know, I hit it too.

Food, at all times MUST BE about you only. You must prep, prepare, freeze or have handy any and all zc foods you need at all times! And I ain’t taking maybe on this, I am talking A MUST on this cause if you have access to all you need, your personal control holds. Without this we waiver and only thru time on the plan I want to eat, want zc benefits from and all that jazz, means I MUST put that as a #1 priority and if you do, you win thru it all.

Then I got the carby family like you in that my hubby is 0 onboard. He eats it all and bad HAHA and I had to cook for him, make the cookies and fresh bread and order in all kinds of food ‘we’ loved back in the day and I had to ‘fight against that’ too and I sure get it.

The work stress and time…omg to ‘find time for me only’ in my life was tough cause any old gal with a family SO gets that HAHA but there was a point I got super selfish and put ‘them carby eaters’ on the back burner and ‘did for me’ only…and hard to do but ya can if you want some of your own life identity to shine thru and do for you. Self care is not selfish by any means, but tell that to a mom and wife, right?

It took quite a while to put me first and hold onto me ya know on the eating plan I wanted and was heading towards long term, which it is now, but back when I started, heck I could never say I would get here :wink: but one can IF you do you ya know…SB as much as life wrecks us in it all and our life dumps on us, if you give that iota of ‘me’ in there you hold stronger and that was something I never ‘quite got’ ya know but in the end, when I made ‘eating about me’ and did what it took to make that happen all the time, thru family and work and life and my farms and biz, yea I found it.

You are in change time now. Big time change time now for you! I love it cause you will grow and be stronger and find you in all the ‘chaos’ of the life ya live.

All normal. All good in big changes we wanna make happen for us personally and you are no different than anyone else walking a path toward what you want, but now take action to put into play ‘what you want from your eating’ and put that as a priority and make it happen! You will cause you are like me :slight_smile: We see it, we have to act on it and every situation like this changes us even more if we look forward to what it takes ‘for us an as individual’ even in a big family unit ya know.

Let me give ya an example. Hubby and kid loves brownies and SO did I! He said make some brownies please and I said nope. I like them too much and I can’t handle that right now and he was pizzed to the max…then like a few days later he brought home a giant red velvet cake that he knows him and kid love, and I hate that and wouldn’t touch it any way and I said, you don’t need that and he said you do you and I do me and I said cool…as long as you don’t ask me to make any I LOVE while changing over…cause yes I brought my hubby and kid into my changes as I needed then and darn if they didn’t get irked, but ya know what, they changed and I survived thru it all to what I required LOL

now when hubby or kid says they want brownies I can make them for them. cause I have no draw cause I got thru that ‘insane elimination and cravings and broke habits’ time in my life all the time saying I NEED this to change and it worked in the end for me. I take one lick of a finger of brownie mix which I loved to no end, yea what sugar and choc. addict doesn’t love just that and say, ewwww, sugar too sweet and can be there for them more now on what they want cause I ‘earned my damn sugar free life’ and control and even tho it upset their apple cart, I won thru it all cause I did for me when I needed that time.

OK BIG RAMBLE here but it is what it took for me ya know. Carnivore is not an all in easy step no matter how ‘satiated we are’ when it comes to our body nutrition, there is SO much more dragging on us and we have to navigate thru it and I found my way and you will find your way for sure!! Cause us farm gals have tenacity that many dont have ya know :wink:

You will be fine!! Your strength is seen from when ya started your journey and bumps will happen but I truly see your total strength in you to change how you wanna change and ya got this!!!

again just me and what I went thru and this wasn’t an overnight thing ever, this was alot of time to put thinking into terms that worked for me and my family around me :astonished: :partying_face:


#156

I can relate… Too bad you and your husband like the same type of bread. Alvaro prefers a totally inferior one (first of all, it’s eggless!!! low-fat is something I could work with as I would put a ton of lard or duck fat - Oti gave me some! it’s nice now and then. - on it. he loves the no added fat version too but no way I make such an abomination). I don’t say it’s not tempting in its barely edible way in some not quite sane moments, nevermind that it’s not good for anything, really and has some negative effect so it’s clearly a bad deal, I have a strange relationship with this thing… But I don’t like it.
(My own version is way better, very tasty with a great texture, way lower-carb etc. But I almost never make it as it’s a long process and I need to be in a compromised state of mind for a longer time… And Alvaro doesn’t like it, the weirdo.
And I have my tasty sponge cake anyway - but the texture differences mean a lot to me.)

I still think part of my October easily beats your fall… But that was so scary with the anti-control (I think I usually have no control and it’s fine as long as I have no bad desires. I felt my control became very negative back then. I don’t care if it doesn’t work this way, I can’t help how I feel) that I will be safe from those super triggering hard drug items in the future. I couldn’t even come back for too long! If I decide I do, I typically easily do it, very nearly every morning is tabula rasa for me, I have good chances. And I was robbed from that. Scary.

Bread has nothing on those horrible (and quite irresistible after touching them) things.

So hopefully you will be motivated in the future and remember what not to touch? If I really feel unwell, that’s very effective for me in the future. But my body is very forgiving (unless I have carbs alone. I don’t, I learned that quickly) and I don’t resist temptation so it’s a long way for me.
As time passes, things should get better… At least I change rapidly now, it’s nice. It’s hard for me to fail epically now. As epically as in the past, at least. That wasn’t pretty. Not like I often regretted it, of course, that’s not my style and I felt okay enough. But I want to feel my best. And I went off zillion times already since I do low-carb and later keto. I know what doesn’t work so if my mind is in working order, I can see it’s a bad idea to try. Always having some nice option may help too but you surely know these things and I totally know it’s not this simple ALL the time. Sometimes I don’t understand myself. Sometimes I don’t even think. That may help. Fangs wrote about self-persuasion if I remember correctly… And I do that sometimes myself. It’s effective but I need to have the presence for that, sometimes things almost just happen. A bad moment can ruin a much longer time so let’s be careful.

Get better soon!!!
Sorry I couldn’t avoid writing a lot about myself again :frowning:

And must tell you that your description about the wagon is brilliant. Cookies with the insurance money, that’s a wonderful touch…


#157

I have been doing a Meat. Salt. Water. Coffee. for the last few. My stomach is flattening. I will take a progress picture tomorrow. Meanwhile my scale is going up. :joy:.

I had been doing ribeye. But…I am “economically minded” both :dollar: and :mantelpiece_clock:. So now I eat Great Value Frozen Hamburger patties. They are 75/25, 32 to a box and a box is 19.83 USD.

I broil six at a time in the oven for two minutes a side and season with sea salt eat three at once and save the rest for a few hours later. I know I am at around 2000 calories per day.

I have reduced coffee from 4 to 3 to now 2 cups per day. After that I drink hot water.

It sounds so Spartan. Here is the kicker. I like to eat my food alone, over the sink. With my hands. :joy:
Ya girl is going real Paleolithic now!

I was fixing to fast, but nah. I really look forward to those delicious, greasy patties too much! :joy:


#158

Yup! no carbs means a leaner healthier body on more food and a higher weight then one would ‘look and feel’ on a carby menu…so yea, the scale might go up a bit but you could lose another size in clothes easily LOL Darn great perk of being carnivore.

and I am you…when I eat I am like a heathen for sure! No one get near me cause the last time I used a fork for eating my meat/seafood was like, hmmm, the last time I was out in public HAHA

You go Ella! Enjoy your zc life, darn that is what life is for right? :hugs:


#159

I so totally had this in the last many years… Even Alvaro isn’t allowed to cook certain dishes I can’t resist. I am no tyrant and he can protect himself anyway, it was never a problem, he did something else and I eventually went off anyway…
It’s better now, I usually couldn’t even eat more than a few bites of many of my old favs but it took a long time and I still have some triggers I avoid. (Or eat half the pot if I can’t. There is a dish, Alvaro loves it and sometimes inevitably makes it and I either dislike or love it, depending the bitterness of the main ingredient. and I can’t just easily stop as it’s not satiating at all. I don’t like these things. I eat a ton and just get hungrier, it’s insane. but it tastes good and my inner rebel loves it).

It’s so hard. If a food is in the house all the time, one may be desensitized… Or subtly tempted all the time and lose at some point.
If it’s rare - one may power through the rare occasion - or jumping at the rare chance.
Both may be dangerous.

And indeed, things may happen together. I am so good now by default but add a few extra hardships and I won’t stay on track. Everything is so so easy then suddenly not. And it’s maddening as I don’t really gain anything with straying now, at least it’s rare. I hate clearly bad deals. It was different on keto, I enjoyed low-carb more and felt and stalled about the same (but still longed for keto after a while so I came back. and went off again. and this for years. not ideal but I didn’t see a better option at that point and it wasn’t that bad. I surely enjoyed my food all the time and felt healthy. but I wanted more).


#160

I agree and at some point we ask for a ‘minor change of menu’ from others, which actually they can do easily!! to make it suit us and there isn’t a darn thing wrong with that.

I always said to hubby that you EAT SO much variety all the time and yet on this day I say no and ya get ticked off? WTH is wrong is wrong with you when I require this support point blank and he finally got it LOL

he eats the world and I am limited and he can easily work his azz around me sometimes and he does now when I need it and I thank him for that support I get now cause he knows I won’t back down so he can easily work around me at all times and ‘be fine’ where I need that structure for what I want.

win/win if you got the family knowing what ya need when ya need it and it is rare I ‘require’ these things anymore but back in the day, transitioning, oh yea we had fights on food in this house HAHA but in the end I did me and they worked around me…but we all hope that is what family does, gets it ya know for what a person in life is trying to change ya know.