Well yikes, no wonder you’re not hungry… alcohol itself takes priority in metabolism (like refined carbs), but two cans of beer is going to go a long way in quenching most any appetite.
If your goal is to lose another 50-60 lbs, drinking two cans of “ultra” is not likely to get you anywhere fast. Just my $0.02 (offered freely from a guy who drinks 1-2 glasses of red wine with dinner, but who is not trying to lose any more weight).
There is only 2 carbs per can…Now that I know the veggies are not helping, they will be about the only carbs I ingest…? And its only 3%. so its what I will do for now, lol.
Uh, I resemble that remark. I trashed my metabolism so bad following LFHC and then “6 small meals a day” it was unbelievable how little I ate and how big I got. I’m sure the diet coaches figured I was lying about how much I ate.
When I weighed 118 lbs in college and I saw fat people I couldn’t IMAGINE how many calories they would have to consume to get that big. They must be eating 24/7!!!
Ah, my ignorance in how insulin plays a role. And hormones. I was never fat until I birthed my first son. Something “switched” and suddenly I was a lot bigger eating the same food. Wish I knew about keto in 1984. Would have saved me decades of frustration!
But at least I discovered it before it was too late. I’m still here and healthier than ever!!!
Let me try again… it’s not the carbs in beer per se, it’s the alcohol. A shot of bourbon or whiskey has 0.04 grams of carbs. If you have 50 shots of bourbon, it would equal the same 2.0g carbs in your “Ultra” beer.
The alcohol has its own effect on your metabolism, quite apart from the beverage’s carb count.
As for veggies, I’m not suggesting they’re “not helping” … in fact, if we’re talking about above-the-ground green leafy vegetables, they’re likely helping quite a bit! 
If you do plan to eat the normal 3 meals a day.
Focus on getting at least 10g worth of fat in each meal (to ensure enough bile to avoid gallstones)
Focus on at least 30g of protein in the meal (to ensure the leucine content is enough to stimulate MPS to avoid losing too much muscle when loosing fat)
Fill in the carbs with what you do as long as your hitting the other two.
When you’re in the fat-burning zone hunger pretty much disappears but you want to only loose mainly fat and have the least impact on your lean mass as that affects your overall BMR.
FYI - I’ve now gone from (124kg / 273lbs to 72kg 158lb) and also like to follow up on dexa scans to ensure my lean mass is intact during my journey.
@ketoisland Please elaborate. I find your numbers confusing.
10 grams fat x 3 meals per day equals 270 kcals (10x9x3). 30 grams protein x 3 meals per day equals 360 kcals (30x4x3). That’s a total of 630 kcals of fat and protein per day. Assuming one eats at least 1200 kcals (and 1500 would be better - and in my opinion still too little except for a midget) that leaves 570 kcals, ie a minimum of 142.5 grams of carbs to ‘fill in’:
How is this a ketogenic diet? The objective of a ketogenic diet is to replace the energy one’s been consuming in the form of carbs with fat instead.
Maybe you typo’d and meant “eat a minimum” of 30 grams of fat at each meal? That would at least put one’s total energy input closer to 1200 kcals without adding 140+ grams of carbs. Also, eating more protein than fat does not make any sense either. According to Bikman, in the presence of elevated carbs, protein drives up insulin - which inhibits ketosis.
What am I missing here?
How much are you actually eating? Are you tracking your intake? If you’re not loosing it’s got to be more than you think it is. Are you eating fat to satiety / filling in the gaps or are you doing the bacon grease butter chugging version of keto?
I gave an example of an extreme caloric deficit allowing the fat to come off stored body fat but its important not to hit under the 10g of fat per meal, the rest of the fat on the body will be the form ketones are made from, the amount of caloic deficit required is up to the person plans. But I’m not saying only eat 10g worth of fat in the meal just highlighting the absolute minimum required to avoid issues.
If newly coming to keto i would just advise to get to maintenance levels and ride what ever fat loss happens.
In the end if the fat level is increased to caloic maintenance (I found I can be more liberal in a ketogenic state with the max fat level as Bikman shows that extra fat enery will burn off as heat)
Must admit that I kind of got lost in the math too. Overly complicated? And extreme caloric deficit sounds like a good idea for virtually no one, does it?
Perhaps I’m missing something too? If so, sorry for making matters worse. 
It basically summarises the WFKD diet from Dr Phnney 
If you look below the lower fat portion in purple comes from body fat and as we shift the maintenance it looks all green as all the fat from the plate.
When I meet Dr Phnney we discussed the loads per meals and why fasting isn’t his favorite method to loose weight.
Ketosis is an awesome tool to lose weight when dialled in and very predictable to lose whatever fat is required.
@ketoisland Thanks, this makes much more sense now. I’m still unclear about the “fill in with carbs” guidance farther above, so this was helpful! 
For what it’s worth, Prof. Bikman’s mantra is “control carbs, prioritise protein, and fill in with fat.”
Yeah, “fill in with fat” makes a good bit more sense for Keto menu development than “fill in with carbs” 
I found from testing myself and around 50 others over the years, that carb sources from green veg don’t need to be counted to the carb content.
Just the 10g total refined carb sources ie peanut butter/nuts / fruits etc.
But it needed to be separated by at least 5hrs if you wanted to dip in a few times a day.
You cant save them up till the end of the day and go for 30g refined carbs in a single meal otherwise you’ll get knocked out and will take time to readapt.
It is completely optional and not required.
Main point the end of the day prioritise protein which Is much better paulsed throughout the day as we have a limited storage of amino acids.
Fats ensure you have enough for bile to function correctly (it will make up the highest macro but is moderated pending your goal and if your at your goal needs to be high enough to not loose weight)
And again carbs will be the smallest percentage, but highlighting the amount that can be consumed without dipping out of ketosis.
The intraday portions you focus on are pretty interesting. Haven’t really heard much about this nuance discussed around here.
I’d be interested in learning more, as a guy who eats TMAD, but especially dinner is where I “pig out.”
The OP complained about not being hungry, never being an overeater, yet weighing 225lbs and drinking 2 cans of beer daily. Perhaps drawing some intraday distinctions might be a secondary consideration for this individual?
Also from Phinney and makes lots more sense to me:
For example, in the hypothetical Induction phase total daily calories from fat are 820. That works out to a bit more than 30.3 grams of fat per 3 meals per day (820 / 9 = 91.1 // 91.1 / 3 = 30.37)
There is no ‘fill in’ with carbs. If you do the math, in the induction phase carbs are 10 grams per meal (120 / 4 = 30 // 30 / 3 = 10).
I appreciate you have successfully lost a lot of body fat, but I still find your initial description problematic. It seems what you describe looks a lot like a high carb, moderate protein, low fat and calorie restricted version of CICO. Eating more protein than fat doesn not make any sense to me. And in neither of Phinney’s charts (the one you posted and the one I’ve posted here) does he recommend eating equal amounts of fat and protein, and not even close to more protein than fat.
Do you happen to know the thought process underlying the reductions shown for expenditure? Presumably not exertion-related… So is this the metabolism slowing down?
For men maybe……. Not so predictable for women who sometimes struggle to lose body fat even with very low carbs and not over or under eating. Hormones, medications, stress all play important factors.
My guess would be, yes. For example, in my own case of losing about 35 pounds of fat in the initial 6 months of keto, my total daily energy requirement went UP because my level of activity increased. I started keto eating 1500 kcals per day and only stopped losing weight at 2500 kcals per day. I have since increased to approx 2700 kcals with zero weight gain. I think a more sedentary person would lower their energy requirement, since carrying around lots of fat requires more than carrying around significantly less of it.
