I got hungry at night again… I don’t know why but if it won’t go away naturally after a while on carnivore (as it usually does), I will try to make my dinner bigger somehow…? Especially on workout days. I ate the leftover biscuits and more meat 
I seem to have a pound a day now and it’s so little calories as it’s lean… I went below 65% fat, it’s rare but lean pork does that to me unless I start to add lots of extra fat as well and I don’t want to overeat.
I got somewhat bored of the lean meat and that caused a somewhat off day in the end but it’s December anyway and I didn’t stray far as that wouldn’t be hedonistic at all. I do what I can in this month and it’s not so bad, I eat lots of meat and eggs, always making sure I have enough meat and some very fatty meat at hand as well. OMAD is tricky on carnivore for me but everything else feels very wrong and messed up… I had NOFUSS again, 5pm is my perfect time for my meal. It’s just not easy to make it big and satiating enough. But I keep trying as it seems my only okay option and I have less difficulties with it than ever (except when I did carby OMAD. that’s ridiculously easy for me. was. it’s sooo not my style anymore, it wasn’t even then but it made big meals possible and even easy even on OMAD).
I eat the chicken liver one bite a time. It may help me out a bit but I sooooooo won’t buy it again for a looooooong time. I will buy pork liver (unless I find beef liver 
) and Alvaro can eat something else, no big deal. He eats sunny side ups quite often when he needs some protein with his carbs, I just can’t let him to do it all the time, that would be boring. Today he ate lean pork because we had that. Tomorrow I will make those skin+meat+eggs frikadellers again. I do my best to avoid making such things only for him so it’s usually either sunny side ups or whatever I eat. I don’t like sunny side ups much. The runny yolk is great but the fried white isn’t. Edible but I rather eat eggs in some other way, now I still go for scrambled eggs with pork jowl ~. And later with ham.
I’ve heard about the Bear just not much… But we are all different anyway and I don’t even have a big room to change up things. But I have a little, at least short term. And it’s fun to read about veterans and their experiences!
I am SO excited about January! 
I need to fill up my freezer… I want variety, I may need that. Not like it’s bad now. I have chicken liver (ew), beef tongue (nice when some more time passes), a bit salmon, lean and fatty pork and tiiiny processed pork. As we just ate up the beef and will get more the next time we visit a bigger town or city. I want turkey too, I am not into it anymore but it adds variety.
@Karen18, you have one of the best wall colors if you ask me Nice, warm, comforting… And it goes well with the plants. The planter tries to get the attention with those colors Mine are all soooo gray and it’s good as they aren’t cute and I put very colorful pansies into the ugliest… So things get balanced out. Yours looks good with the wall and everything.
Yay, me too! My weight basically never changes but I always said I don’t care if I stay 75kg as long as it’s lots of muscle and not fat, not like it would be realistic for me 
But numbers are really not so important. And being slim may be nice but if you have a healthy weight (of course it’s not about the weight only but muscle and fat mass), it’s already plenty, the rest is aesthetics and vanity and less important than HEALTH!
I still wanna be slim but as long as my fat mass isn’t a burden to my poor body, I don’t feel too bad about it. Not like I know what is a real burden and if I want to live many more decades, I probably need to lose some weight but it’s fine not to have a great figure ever. I just wanna lose this stubborn big belly roll… How will I be able to show off my tiny but improved muscles (that I will gain in the future, mostly though my biceps are really much better my fav tiny muscles aesthetics wise :D) if I am covered with fat on many places? But after ~9 years of stalling, my time has come! I feel ready to use the method I consider right and promising.
I still won’t weigh myself often as I know it’s 75kg every morning, why to check? But if I track tiny numbers almost all the time, I will check to see if I lost a bit. But once a month sounds enough. And I notice if I get slimmer anyway. I have about 40lbs to lose…
I can’t tweak much but NOFUSS longer term carnivore, that will be new and very promising. I will have leaner and fattier times, it happens anyway and maybe I will push a little, NOT eating a TON of extra fat with my lean stuff and not eating extra fat with my fatty meat…
No dairy is a good direction but I am already doing it, partially, I eat very little dairy on most days. It was 12g cheese today only because I lost interest in my leaner meat too soon. Not like it helps much but Alvaro was eating it so I grabbed a bit.
I do my best to minimize added fat but I opened my nice pig farm lard today, it’s brown here and there, I always buy that tastier kind (it’s cheaper too, I don’t know why, it’s better :D), the result of making pork belly cracklings. The box will last for ages…
I wrote too much again, sorry. I try to be scarce until it’s finally the 25th and I do some relaxed carnivore-ish until January! Or who knows what I will fancy at that time but my plan sounds good to me.
At one point I wish to do a comment about what changed lately. Not in 2021 as I don’t remember what my woe and life was like in the first months of the year… But I do know a few changes in the last half year. And it happened without doing staying close to carnivore for more than a few days at a time! I expect some serious changes if I manage to do a full carni January and hopefully a not too carby February, March, April and May. And I will be a different person at that point so I can’t even guess what my June will be like though I have some idea. I should write it down for myself and check it in June
And my yearly Christmas baking goes… Not well. I am not in the mood, I am in the mood of meat eating so I just don’t do it (I always start to experiment or practice early, I need that time). I should make my painted rock gifts at least. I make a guinea pig and some rock gingerbreads, pretty ones. Even my big white oil marker is easier to use than icing…
I know the feeling though I am not that bad. My body always was pretty fine with 2000 kcal on low-carb (with the occasional higher-cal day). I lost fat eating like that but it was only enough to get borderline normal (I am more than that now). Fat adaptation caused fat-loss for a while too but then my body wanted its 2000 kcal again. Sometimes much more. Focus on eating as little as possible (2000 on most days, more on the rest) is tiresome.
Then carnivore came and interesting things happened but until I don’t stick to it longer term, it’s not good enough. I need my carni winter now Well, next year. I just practice now, especially OMAD but my food isn’t so bad either just possibly not good enough. I need to do everything right so if I inevitably mess up something, the other parts keep me “safe”.
I imagine 1600-1800 kcal should work for me on most days but I don’t need to decide it as I can’t enforce things anyway. I just choose items (kind of) and hope for the best I don’t go below as I inevitably would need another not small meal later and even the next day would be worse. The bigger the meal, the longer the satiation in my case so small OMAD meals are no good. I need tracking and if my meal is small, I rather eat some more 1 hour later.
It’s probably a very low volume for a normal person, isn’t it? My carni food is very dense, the volume is tiny! In my eyes, at least. I was used to big volume in my past, it’s good I am not a volume eater (Alvaro said volume is very important for him, not only calories. he needs both. I need calories but carbs may or may not count or may count as negative, that was my old normal for sure)! 300g food is just as good as 2000g, I merely need my satiating fats and protein (and a little joy most of the time).
Thanks for the data, it’s always interesting for me to see such things!
Interesting! If I drop the fat, I just get hungry and eventually add it back (I hardly can go to bed until I do)… I can do somewhat leaner but not lean… But I still plan to try out lean. I just don’t know how. I automatically add fat, I miss it. Even eating fatty I tend to miss it as I wish to eat fattier sometimes but that wouldn’t be right. I eat 280g fat and say: that’s it? I want MORE!
And I should keep it at, like, 100-120g. Sometimes I can do that. Yesterday it was 150g and it’s already almost overeating, my successful workout was my savior
I go now and won’t be back until this craziness is over, hopefully. Or I just show my painted rocks
Oh no I still didn’t react to everything…
Oh my body is simpler. If I don’t lose fat, I eat too much fat therefore calories. (Even if I could have other causes, this one is almost always present so I must deal with it somehow.)
But lowering carbs still may help as they lower my fat intake. On keto, it was even more serious as carbs made me hungrier and probably feeling worse though I didn’t know that back then so I needed more fat and some more protein to balance things out. Carnivore carbs don’t seem to matter but they may matter for others, we are so wonderfully different. But my carnivore carbs often come from dairy and those bring too much not satiating fat (except quark). Liver and eggs are fine.
It would be fun to eat as much fat as I like (nope as I would overeat fat, massively, I mean even my body wouldn’t like it and I would get slight nausea… stupid desires. maybe it would be okay long term? Maybe I will try it out but first, I go as lean as I can without messing up my macros)…
I agree with not drinking (much) alcohol but the rest is sooooooo not me. I don’t disagree at all, it’s just fully unrealistic for me. But I am nowhere on my journey yet.
I still think the “fat first” can’t be a generally good idea, it’s very different for me and for someone who needs a ton of calories and no fat-loss at all. I need to avoid fat as much as possible - and I still overeat fat unless I am very good. Fat comes too easily and some fats don’t satiate me well. They are great to boost my calories but not when losing fat is my goal.
But I can say again, I didn’t try long term carnivore yet. I doubt it matters much BUT timing, that matters. If I do OMAD, my relationship with fat should be very different. I still can’t eat as fatty as I want as that would be overeating and I would possibly still get hungry later, I still must avoid added fat and dairy as much as I can but fattier meats are okay, even needed. If I don’t do OMAD… I am doomed to stay fat unless I do everything else right but that’s not me.
Sorry I go and work on not talking about me in walls of text ALL the time.
