Question about Coronovirus?

(Ron) #1

The information being presented to the general population is to take all necessary precautions to help “soften the curve” of the spread of this virus worldwide. With some determined research, it is evident that estimates are above 80% of the population will be infected at some time or another from this virus and the precautions that are being implemented and requested of the public are not going to change that.
Don’t get me wrong…I understand the need to stretch the infected participants curve over a longer time frame to allow the ability to care for those who contract the disease. I also understand that with time comes potential science to combat this disease and potential vaccine. These alone are reasons to postpone contracting as long as possible, but it seems as if we are somewhat being mislead by not being told the truth that we are more than likely going to contract this virus and given more guidelines how to handle this sickness once it takes hold.
I also understand the need to not cause panic and what would help here would be more information about those that contracted the virus and are now recovering.
It is definitely a different mindset with me knowing I am not going to stop from catching the virus as opposed to delaying when. I now do all these precautions in hopes that they find a vaccine or the medical community is caught up enough to handle when I catch this thing.

Just saying what I (and I suspect others) are wondering.

(Susan) #2

I would also love to know if there are any forum members that have it or have had it and what happened and what they did too. So far, none of the people I know in my personal life, or any people that I know online has told me that they have it. I hope that if anyone from either avenue does, that they will overcome it and be healthy and well.

I hope and pray the best for all of us if we do get it, or if any of our loved ones do.

Happy forum anniversary, Ron =).

(Ron) #3

Thanks Susan, didn’t even notice until you said that! :flushed:

(charlie3) #4

If the hospitals fill to over flowing then medical emergencies not related to the virus may be turned away. But eventually the restrictions will be lifted to rescue the economy. So far it’s leisure time businesses that are retricted. Can’t we take a break from those for a while? The commercial strip I live next to has bars and restaurants that all serve alcohol and the patrons disturb my sleep and they are closed and that’s really really nice.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #5

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I live in Santa Cruz. The area that’s a small triangle below San Mateo and Santa Clara is the tip of the Santa Cruz mountains. I’m on immune suppression drugs and I’m taking it fairly seriously. I was a little lax about caring until it seems to be an issue in my area now.

I believe this “Shelter in place” protocol will become the national norm very soon. :cowboy_hat_face:

#6

I don’t directly know anybody, but know some people who know people that got it and seems that if you’re not one of the high risk people it’s really not THAT huge of a deal. Not to say it’s a joke or anything because it’s clearly not but many people seem to test positive and it runs it’s course without ANY symptoms at this point. As long as the math works I’m not going into nutso mode. The Flu kills WAAAAAAAAAAAY more people every single year than this thing, yes it seems to be worse than the flu for the high risk groups but that by itself doesn’t change the math. Small groups have already received the test vacine and I’m sure the real thing will be out pretty quick at this point.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #7

The concern isn’t directly for people like you @lfod14, but you could get it and give it to grandma or your sister’s newborn. The protocol is also to slow the spread so medical care isn’t overwhelmed. It’s not the millennials and young adults who have to worry, and a lot aren’t into complying. it’s their family members at risk too. :cowboy_hat_face:

#8

I think probably all the answers you are looking for - and more - are here. Great listen :smiley:

This is not true. Covid-19 is around 10 times more deadly that the average seasonal flu. Take a listen to the above to find out the ins and outs of it and I think you will star thinking differently. I was where you are and so you will hear was Dave. Please listen :slight_smile:

#9

What math? We know barely anything yet, it barely started (or not even started yet) in most countries… The virus is able to mutate too, viruses do that. No one can predict what will happen, we do what we can and hope for the best possible outcome…
If a country doesn’t take it seriously, that will be ugly.
I am perfectly sure I won’t even suffer from it (if some people won’t get infected, fat chance I will be among them and I am a young enough, healthy person) and little chance to get infect others, I don’t even meet people. My circumstances are very speciel but I should be very cautious, maybe I will want to see my only relative living close and she has multiple serious health problems.
And I worry a bit about my elderly aunt with health problems, hopefully she as an ex-doctor knows her stuff and will be super careful. I don’t even care about good statistics if a family member of mine dies. It’s way different from the flu, not like I know anything of the flu, I never even had it, or my family… But infection and fatality rates are way worse for this (especially among the elderly ones and it’s a pretty big deal to me). There is a very good reason to be very careful.
You haven’t the foggiest idea how many people this virus will kill, no one can’t have that. Just because China handled it quite well, says little about what will happen in the world.
Italy was already overwhelmed and the number of new cases just got bigger. And there are very many deaths there and many serious active cases. Hundreds of death every day when it barely started, it’s very serious, no matter what the flu makes in the world every year.

I am a very optimistic person myself but if it’s about health and safety, I become careful. Maybe not immediately and unknown things makes it complicated but I think we know enough to see it can end VERY badly. There surely will be very serious consequences even if the death-toll won’t be extremely huge.

(Ron) #10

This could be somewhat of an answer to my question. If all the media coverage focuses on everyone helping to smooth out the “infection curve” then the youth and young adults in the world might be more apt to take it seriously as opposed to only self concerned attitudes.

It surely would still ease some of us “more at risk” individuals minds to hear some positives and success stories about people coming out the other side though. :crossed_fingers:

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #11

Meanwhile in the real world. CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 36 million flu illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths from flu. You know, the one that arrives every fall like clockwork. Year after year after year.

(Jeff S) #12

  • COVID appears to be more easily transmissable than the flu because you can have it and infect others several days before you feel symptoms yourself.

  • COVID is about 10 times more deadly than the flu - the COVID fatality rate is around 2%, maybe higher, but let’s use that number

  • It is likely to infect 50-70% of the population. Let’s just say 50% because the math is easier:

    • US population = 300 million (very round number)
    • 50% infected = 150 million
    • 2% fatality rate for 150 million people = 3 million. That’s deaths. Flu is amateur compared to COVID

  • Do we have enough hospital beds? No. Do we have enough ventilators? No.

  • Do we have a population of lots of people with other health problems like heart disease, morbid obesity, and diabetes that make them high risk? Yes

If you think this sounds ridiculous:
a) take a look at Italy - they are about 8-10 days ahead of us
b) come back here in 8-10 days and see how ridiculous it still sounds.

Whether that is our destiny depends very much on how seriously we take the danger and implement actions to slow it down now. Like extreme social distancing.
I would love to be wrong.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #13
(Full Metal KETO AF) #14

@amwassil CORVID-19…To poo poo or not to poo poo, that is the question! :joy::joy::joy::cowboy_hat_face:

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #15

@Backspin and anyone else who has not checked out the link I posted here, please do so.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #16

@amwassil The Hoover Institute article had some good points regarding the spread of the virus from a logical perspective. One particular fault was concerning things getting better possibly as the weather warms up forgetting that the world has two hemispheres and as one heats up the other cools off. Honestly though who knows. It could mutate easily as well so there’s no telling where it goes. Maybe more heat tolerant or more deadly if infected. Or drug resistant where it comes back seasonally adapted like the flu does now. It might not be simple and over soon like he suggested. :cowboy_hat_face:

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #17

Check out the linked article here.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #18

Finally, no prescription required and ships to anywhere.

http://rx.travelweblog.net/categories/Other/Chloroquine

There may be other sources and if anyone locates, please post.

(Troy) #19

Interesting
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(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #20

Not so much.