OctCarniFest :)

[Shinita]

Once I saw a freshly butchered (is it the right term for hens too?) hen full with eggs. One had everything but the hard shell and the others were yolks at different sizes, a lot of them…

[Shinita]

ok, it is Carni Candy…promise…

Just because it’s virtual… I am really brave and try to make things few things make on carnivore but candy is outside of the realm of possibilities I think… But who needs candy when we have so many better stuff? Even taste wise.

I have some… Pork belly? Bacon? Something along those lines (bacon is something specific so it’s not that but very close?). We bought it to fry on open fire but never did. I will taste it already. Not today but soon.

And I just must make carnivore hot dogs complete with bun… But how? My sponge cakes aren’t firm and I only have round and star-shaped molds… But I already thought meat must be included to have a not deflated thing… Or quark… Or both… So I just make a dense enough thing.

[Karen18]

Been a bit busier the last couple of days so have missed the forum and I don’t think I can read 31 posts… my head will explode, maybe literally!

Still in the land of the living. We have had a couple of days where the sun has come out for a couple of hours or so in between windy rainy pour downs so I started getting on with jobs and the first is painting the shabby shed. Managed to get 2 coats on and dried before the heavens opened both days… only just though as yesterday the forecast was wrong and rain came earlier… hey ho when are the forecasts ever correct?

Also took a walk to the local town to get some masonry paint for the new wall the lads built… just needed a base coat before the, ‘in ya face’ colour goes on approximately 4.5 miles round trip. I was pleased with myself… small steps!

I had popped into the other local town (opposite direction) on Wednesday on the bus … on my own, my first outing without support and just a little confidence booster so I felt confident to do the walk on my own. Still feel unnerved especially at night as I am still getting heart palpitations when I get into bed. I guess I may have them throughout the day but notice them more when I lay down. I was having them before the stroke and wasn’t too bothered by them until the consultant referred to them! Now I am more aware of them!

Foody bits over last 2 days, cooked a smallish pork shoulder joint and eaten all of it, 1 steak, 2 large burgers, cheddar cheese, chicken (bought a small whole cooked one from The Company Shop, at use by date, so eaten most of it and will finish the last small amount that is leftover today) . My daughter has invited me for Sunday lunch today and will be picking me up at 3pm for a lamb roast. She makes me smile, I asked if I could bring anything to the table and she said she was cooking 2 different lamb , pigs in blankets and a fried egg for me … I will be stuffed lol … she is so worried I won’t have enough to eat as they will have all the veggies with it! She has really taken on this role of ‘mum’ with gusto

I have stopped tracking, I stopped just prior to stroke but started tracking again when I got home and now can’t be bothered and so there are gaps. Thought I may have to track again with not exercising but at the moment my weight appears the same. I think I dropped a couple of pounds in hospital but put them back on since getting home. Of course for last few years I haven’t needed to really worry about my weight because of the amount of exercise I was doing plus my intensely active job but I am making sure I keep tabs on it now I have gone to virtually zero exercise. Walking is a start and from Monday I want to start adding a few stair runs… I will be starting with low numbers before you all give me the ‘take it easy’ advice lol certainly won’t be doing 100 flights straight off but I do intend to get back to that and the CF. I need the stairs runs to control my back pain which has returned.

Note to self, remember to read forum daily hahahah

[Carnivoor]

Pork liver and slice of cheese.
The cheese kind a drowned in the butter.
Looks a bit miserable

Oh well, at least I didn’t set the kitchen on fire, I’m a really bad cook

[Azi]

Yesterday’s meals were cube steak and strip steak pairee with short ribs for dinner

Ate last piece of cubed steak for breakfast pared it with ground beef and eggs for breakfast and took out strip steak for later.

My husband is making his way home some time this morning to go grab the rv go to his interview pick me up and the dogs and bird up and head back to nebraska so I can see the new house.
So maybe he will be back some time tomorrow. So I guess I’d better have some food available for him too.

[Fangs]

@Karen18
for what you went thru it seems you are coming back and wanting your old routine more Never worry about a lb. on the scale right now!! This is ALL about healing and to me I think you are doing wonderful. But if you want mild exercise like a few stairs then yes but you watch you K, we want nothing happening to you before a good recovery!!!

@FrankoBear
sometimes people don’t wanna know HAHA but cool info. Might as well know big info on our food sources.

and think chicken eggs as ‘the staple of the world’, cause of size…quail too small, emu and ostrich too big to feed and package those eggs, but that darn chicken egg size and the size of the bird to feed/make profit this endeavor I guess just fits right, plus we get chicken wings to eat from them

@Azi, a bird too, I bet it is some big darn bird like a monster parrot big dogs and big bird maybe? OFF to Nebraska, girl you got big adventures coming your way!! NOW you prepare in your brain ZC on the road You got time to plan it out, think it out and eat it out and hold plan but I am right there with you on your adventure, can’t wait til ya hit the road and see how nice your new little house is

@Carnivoor
I just see that cheese in your pic Your cooking got a tad bit dark but I know for me personally, I would eat all that!! I like dark

-----------------wings and more wings. I have no idea cause now I am in ‘obsession’ time over them truly.

so today I got small pork tenderloins defrosting and at some point, I have to hit the road for a few tiny errands and my plan is hit a store and pick up…wings. I don’t have a clue here guys truly but darn if I don’t want a ton of them. I will buy ALOT more on this trip cause something tells me I got a few more days of my wing obsession til it breaks, and I know it will break cause this isn’t me, but right now wings it is.

[Septimius]

This probably isn’t the best time to start discussing this, on the cusp of a new thread - but I thought it was interesting the mention elsewhere that many of the carnivores are menopausal or post-menopausal. I am a long way off that just yet, but I know from other comments that I am one of the youngest in the thread.

I was reading another thread earlier about the different approaches we see from different prominent speakers in the keto and carnivore space, particularly the prioritisation of protein vs fat, or fat vs protein.

I know we talk a lot about the differences between being active or not and the personal n=1 experience (for instance, I think most of us accept that Saladino personally finds use for honey but that it’s not necessarily something useful to others on the same path).

But I always wonder how much of these stances are affected by hormonal cycle. I see major changes in appetite and hunger at different points in my cycle despite eating very similar things day-in, day-out (so it’s a hunger issue, not a ‘tasty’ issue) but whilst we generally accept the hormone hypothesis (vs CICO hypothesis) in keto spaces, I don’t see a lot of discussion about the unique effects that female hormones have.

I was reading CA last night and they’re talking about sugar not being the root of all evil (hmm), and I was thinking about how other people cycle carbs around workouts, and how some recent carnivores have now moved to having fruit or honey etc - and I’m sort of intrigued as to whether there’s a glucose requirement that maybe men of a certain body fat percentage or activity level require and struggle to get via gluconeogenesis, but isn’t the same for women?

I don’t have any evidence for this at all, and I’m sure there are male carnivores out there (like Charles, I guess?) who haven’t wavered - but it was just a thought that occurred to me; that if we accept that hormones in general affect body composition and how we process the food we take in, there could be some fundamental hormone difference that changes our requirements or what we thrive on. Hmm. Idle thoughts really.

[Fangs]

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I like your idle thoughts. And it is stuff one wants to think about and kinda get to know in a way.

but for me, I went into this during menapause time and darn if it didn’t fix every darn problem, the night sweats, the restless legs, that mood swings my hubby hated So I think I balanced horomones.

I think that is key. During menstrual cycles hormones are going to fluctuate and do their thing…I don’t believe there is ‘a stablizing fix for it’ at all ya know…the body is doing its thing but I also think that if one ‘stabilizes and heals’ those hormones on a menu like extreme LC or keto or carnivore we can ‘have some brains’ against how the body is reacting. In that old days, jump on chocolate and be mean maybe for me HAHA but with hormones and body reset and healed, I don’t require ‘food to fix’ and don’t ‘swing as much’ in mood as I changed. So maybe there is a real life swing in life on balanced hormones but we don’t ‘go friggin’ overboard’ on crap sugar menu of SAD as most of us been thru.

Degrees of health while real life body functions happen.

Not sure on ‘what guys deal with’ ya know cause I am a gal but I think as their hormones change and testosterone balances and body heals, there is marked improvement in that gender of body also but they deal with issues too? I guess but in a ‘more stabilized normal life manner’ vs. all us humans who run on sugar and highs and crashes and sick bodies and crazy stress times and more.

You got me thinking S and I appreciate that. But I think real life will function as it must on a healthy body and not just be ‘fixed’ in some way we want and hormones and more are gonna do their body thing, but HOW we function and our control and degree of who we are on a healthy menu vs. being icky SAD etc menu is just a massive difference I would think…well yea I lived SAD and my body and I think my menapause short time and healthy body now is like just worlds apart on our food intake. I would think if I went off sugar long long ago I would still be dealing with hormones but not in the ‘crazy azz fashion’ I had to deal on sugar rages thru my body, maybe? Yea it would have been better, who am I kiddin’ LOL

Will think on it more.

Healthy body functions and processes and will continue to do so balanced and stablized for real life.

Ick body does ‘who knows what’ really to all of us but it will do it in worse fashion I would think.

kinda how I feel it thru as I think about it

[Septimius]

Yeah, exactly - you talk about hormone balance and that’s something that I have experienced for the very first time on this plan. It’s an almost sing-it-from-the-roof-tops experience, and it’s astonishing to realise that what was “normal” is, in fact, not normal at all.

I think one of the other things that’s underdiscussed (not here, we do tend to discuss it here) is the effect that life-long dieting has on us. I know men are affected by issues with body image as well - but I know lots of guys I know outside of diet spaces (the ones in diet spaces, such as this community are different) don’t think about food at all, unless they suddenly realise that they’re an outlier - whereas virtually every woman I’ve ever met, at every age, in every real life situation, has been watching what they eat.

I think that combination of being undernourished and having different hormones and the consequent knock on mental health is massive. You think about how so many of us starved ourselves on low calorie, then our hormones kicked in and begged for food, so we broke diet (usually with chocolate) and assumed that we were mentally weak for doing so - and if the CICO hypothesis was being followed, we could screw up a month’s worth of ‘perfect’ eating in a night of feeling low.

Whereas now I realise that my body is doing major things and needs that high intake to fuel it all; it isn’t a mental weakness or a failing of willpower - it’s genuine hunger.

[Fangs]

well long ago every picture painted was not of some stick super model…they were real women with real chub on the body and real cures ya know…where women should be til ‘media’ and ‘fashion’ and ‘society classes’ kicked in and it was all about women being a ‘cartoon’ of what thought was that fashion for the day…so time f’d that up in truth and thoughts on advertising to say ‘eat my diet’ to ‘be prettier’ and more and how the brains are now if you are not stick thin you are ‘wrong’ and not desirable cause media says stick thin is totally it and anything else is wrong.

but older times, yea women were real. Pics show just that and were the absolute obsession and desire of men but thing is they were just real.
Now it is so skewed off all that I don’t think we can even pretend to compare all that insanity.

Men I do believe are more wrecked NOW on body image. Yea they rarely had it, but now, it is more prevelant with them being corralled in the same fashion as women have been for a very long time…guys now are dealing more with body issues as 'society says is ‘ok and norm’ and it is truly sad in the whole scope of it.

WE ARE SO FAR FROM A NATURAL NATURE LIFE it is insanity to me.

I think alot of it falls on who are you and where you are at in life. Younger I did ‘the norm’ and strived for it and did fine thru it but OLDER now, damn I don’t give a f’ing f others are getting some lazer or botox or wrinkle control or face lifts or ??? I think thru healthier eating I also found me, where I will not succumb to media/society/social pressure this life has become. I just ain’t into it anymore, it is exhausting I ain’t got a ton of time left, I can’t put the focus there at all so I feel for the youngers now. They are not in any real life at all…once that internet/global life hit thru internet and cell phones…nothing truly is real anymore, but I think I hit more of that older age where I ‘just missed it’ and I didn’t fall for it all that my kid I see is falling for it but luckily I got ‘her more grounded’ and said that don’t even think what you see and read is real…there is ‘real life and people living real life’ vs. all the pretend and crazy one can buy and try to hit some perfection that is not even a reality so?

And you are finding truth in your carnivore.

You feel real hunger. Older times I never did. I thought I was hungry cause I ate xyz hrs before and dinner time was coming so I was like pavlov’s dogs, conditioned to eat.

Truly on carnivore and I say this and alot of people have no idea what I mean in full truth of it all is ‘a whole new me, a whole new person’ well better than what I was thru all my years on this planet.

So it is wild to chat this cause so many will never understand it but if one hits carnivore and starts to ‘feel these changes that are mental clarity of seeing real life’ and ‘body resets back to natural and normal functions’ we are ‘just so much better’ and we start to question so much more.

Off sugar, whole new person! It is a benefit I won’t ever give up
Great thoughts S!

[robintemplin]

You had me at cheese.

[robintemplin]

Oh Karen, I am so happy that you’re out and about, reporting back in… AFTER a stroke. Surely your exercise and woe must have played a part in your recovery. So happy for you. And love your outlook. Keep it up. You got this!

[Azi]

I agree there is so much of the hunger and what drives it is def related to hormones …im post menopause as well but I had a hysterectomy in my thirties and so I’d have to say I walked through it pretty easy… But even with that on my real fatty period of carnivore I still had days hunger was really strong and I’d seem to be ravenous for food ,more than other days. So I think we prob still cycle our hormone levels to some degree…I should start taking notes and see if a pattern forms…

As for males can’t really speak to That but I think with the carnivores that are turning to higher carbs or fruits or honey alot of them are athletes so their food needs can take the extra carbs hits because their muscles are we burning it off at a great speed and also for all Iot of them…they are pushing their bodies so hard so that aso affects hormone lvls… Then youvhave the likes of Shawn baker who is eating 5 or 6lbs of meat a day the average person is never going to consume that amount nor will they ever need to.
But like you if im hungry I go with it and figure my body knows it’s needs

[robintemplin]

I’m 67… well past menopause. I also think I have monthly fluctuations of hormones, if I really pay attention.

[VirginiaEdie]

I have been wearing a Fitbit for years. I noticed that my resting pulse rate (RPR) changed depending upon where I was in my cycle. It would reach a minimum when I ovulated and then it would climb until my period started. Then it would slowly go down again until I ovulated.

Now I am in perimenopause. I’ve had four or five months go by where I don’t ovulate or get my period. My RPR stays more stable. When my hormones kick back in, so does that RPR pattern. I do think my eating patterns shift as well. As my RPR climbs towards the start of menstruation, that is when my desire of carbs tends to climb as well. That desire is definitely not as strong as it once was, but I definitely think sweets look more desirable as I approach menstruation.

I was watching a program about a hunter-gatherer tribe in Africa several years ago. The men did the hunting. When they made their kill, they would eat the organ meats right then and there. (The organs spoil the quickest.) The women didn’t get to eat the organ meats. They were the ones that did the gathering and were more likely to eat the plants that they gathered. It made me wonder if that’s how we evolved: men getting all their nutrients via the meat since they did the hunting and the women needing to supplement with plants. It would explain why women in general tend to prefer carbs more so than men. Also since women do the child bearing and need a certain body fat percentage to do so, maybe we needed those “carby” foods to keep the body fat in the healthy child bearing range.

[Fangs]

remember too it IS survival so don’t put any way to survive for meals eaten ‘on that hunt’ vs. what the men expended against what others back at home had to ‘add’ as in extra food stuffs that worked for all, again for ‘just natural selection of survival’ on what it took for ‘the group of humans’ to live

just a thought on it

I don’t think nature said gals eat carbs cause ya can’t hunt and ‘need them’ as ‘some real deal in life’ ya know…it is eat or be eaten, it was survive or die way back in the day

[VirginiaEdie]

Of course this is all conjecture, and it is just my musings, but we know that eating carbs helps all animals fatten up. It is possible that is was eating more carbs than the men that helped the women maintain a healthy, pro child-bearing body fat percentage. It is true that women are not small men. Thanks to our cyclic hormones and the fact that we are the ones that bear the children, our needs are undeniably different.

On a another hunter gatherer thing that I read. I was reading about laughing sickness (this was also years ago.) It is something that people get from eating infected human brains and occurred in cultures that practiced cannibalism. It turns out that it was mostly women and children that got the laughing sickness because they were the ones most likely to ingest the human meat and brains. This was once again because the men who hunted were more likely to consume the prey and didn’t bring much of the hunt home. The cannibalism while ritualistic was also a way for the women and children to get protein and fat that they otherwise were not getting enough of in their diet - this would be a survival mechanism.

In nature, animals instinctively know what foods to eat to get all the correct macronutrients, vitamins and minerals they need. They also instinctively know what plants to eat if they are sick. Why wouldn’t our ancient ancestor women instinctively know what they needed to eat to be their healthier selves and why couldn’t that be some wild tubers, fruits, and nuts in season - this could also be a survival mechanism. We will never truly know, but I do believe many of our human characteristics can be directly related to what we see in the animal kingdom. After all, we are animals. Again, just musings…

[Azi]

I went shopping today and I have no clue what happened at sams but they had next to no meat…it was,all basically chicken…I wasn’t there to buy meat I wanted bacon but nope not today

I cooked a bottom round roast so I been eating on that …I went to Walmart grabbed some bacon threw that In The oven to take with us when we leave to have in the truck with us…
Hearing Fangs talk about her BBQ got my husband to stop at a BBQ on the way here grab some brisket and burnt ends so he had something to eat and I’ll get some as well…
And I’ll prob cook up a tomahawk to have as extra meat for the road we have beef sticks…I bought the dogs some Jerry for the road and the bird some grapes and apples…@Fangs. haha my bird is a parrot but its not huge she is just a quaker but she talks…

[Fangs]

Love she speaks to you and I bet that parrot is heard by you in true form Cool

We owned Charlie til my mom hated that parrot and gave him to my Aunt Estelle who was an animal maniac and that critter lived so well with her and HE layed an egg HA Aunt Estelle renamed her Charlene.

[robintemplin]

I don’t give much thought to what my ancestors ate. My parents? Yep. They were both a precautionary tale.