yea, in a tiny blip in time on the planet humans have wrecked their immune systems and health at an absolute amazing speed. Scary kinda. It is interesting to look further back and see what ‘food is’ but what it has become is really where one should put most of their focus in a way…we can learn from history easily but we are actually in this world, navigating this icky food supply.
air, water, food. Gotta have it 
But… ( can you tell I enjoy playing devil’s advocate?) I believe looking back to our past about how we evolved can help explain why we do what we do and therefore what we can do to overcome whatever the adverse behavior is.
Okay, I write my thoughts about what @Septimius started in this thread and not the new one.
I am before menopausa, if I follow my Mom, I have about 10 years left.
I never dieted… Well I changed my diet and tried to eat less but I still ate as much as I wanted, usually more than what I needed. There is a reason I have been stalling since 8 years (except the stress gain in the end of last year 
since that time, I am always the same weight, no matter my actual local woe. as my default is carnivore-ish but I have carbier times in summer. and in December but that will be my future problem), I just eat if I easily can…
I have been tracking since several years though, on and off. I stopped losing fat when I started it but it’s just because I lost all the weight I could while eating to satiation on low-carb and not changing any important factors.
I never actually watch what I eat. I make plans using my experience and try or rather hope - and if I go over my vague limit (I don’t have a limit but the tracking site says something and I actually know what I shouldn’t go over if I want any chance to lose any fat. it’s all about calories for me according my experience) by 1300 kcal, so be it. I think my record is 2500 (except my craziest days where I couldn’t even track and didn’t want to)… It’s fun, my rebellious inner self surely enjoys itself when I break my records 
I try to choose my food well - and what happens, happens, I track afterwards. But my figure and looks in general never were very high priority for me. I just want to be healthy and I want to be able to see my muscles better and if I started this fat-loss jorney at 35, I want to finish it before 50…
My cycle does absolutely nothing noticeable to me, no sensitivity, any pain ever, no wonder my appetite and hunger is the same all the time. I only have my phases but I want the exact same food in the hottest and coldest weather too, my cycle never did anything. Sometimes it decreases my appetite, maybe? But I still eat about the same amount. Appetite has almost nothing to do with my food intake, after all.
Maybe I do have changes, I just never noticed them. I will watch things but… I never really desire carbs. And when I go astray, that’s because things are very much there for a limited time or I am bored with meat and I just can’t do it without sweets. Carbs may appear as they go well with my desserts but very low-carb desserts work just as well… But I will watch better when and what makes me go astray.
As far as I know, very high activity requires carbs as we just can’t get enough energy from fat…? But it’s really extreme, not what maybe all of us experience ever… I only walk/hike, run a bit, cycle in my own pace for a few hours at most and do my workouts. I never need carbs for this. Surely there is some individual factor, some people say they have a better performance if they have carbs before workouts. I must do them well-fasted and carbs are never needed. But I am still a beginner with baby weights (and today weak as a kitten, the first day since long when I did worse than before in all exercises).
Sorry I talked about way too much about me.
Old ideals… Well where I live, people don’t expect women to be thin… Maybe it’s different with the young ones, maybe they do it to themselves, I don’t know. I probably have at least 40lbs fat to lose but I was among the thinnest ones in the village choir, most people were older than me. People eat HCHF, cook well, have family dinners…
I don’t have problems with it as I couldn’t care less what society, others expect from me. I want to be right for myself only.
Probably Alvaro too. I like muscles, he likes thinness so I do my workouts (but want to cut at some point to show off my tiny muscles better, among other reasons) and he endures hunger every day and keep up his aerob and cardio to avoid horrible starving all the time. We both need big meals to get satiated and only I can do my tricks with extreme low-carb and OMAD. But he can suffers hunger so he can lose fat whenever he wants at a nice pace.
I still haven’t abandoned the hope that eventually he will find a slightly different eating style where he will be satiated most of the time. Hunger is horrible for me, I chase it away, I rather stay fat!
But looks… I was never beautiful and never will be and it’s perfectly fine. At least I won’t lose much when aging My family always were quite healthy even as old and gray hairs came quite late… 
For some weird reason, it’s just hair! I dislike gray hairs. So I hope I won’t get them in abundance for a looooooooong time. But it’s not that important, actually… I want health, strength, energy and good mood! And other important things. I can’t be as shallow as so many people seem to be, it’s not hedonistic…
It’s nice to see when you think and write about deep important things, Fangs. And the others too but Fangs is very well-known about her enthusiastic meat and carnivore woe loving :D.
I have a hunch this carnivore bunch here has a way higher than average intelligence level and common sense too… Not like the bar is high. I don’t even know what is the average but it must be quite bad. I always was among higher-level folks, only sporadically met the really bad kind and now that Alvaro works with dense low-level ones (we call them Bogans as we got the term from @KetoKoala), it’s shocking. It’s not just intelligence, it’s many things together. One can be highly intelligent but an ignorant jerk who couldn’t care less about Nature or even their own and their family’s health and well-being.
I always knew what hunger is and it was odd to me that it’s not the case with everyone. Even weirder that people allegedly can mix thirst sign with something else…
On carnivore, I am very rarely hungry though, good thing I have other urges. I wouldn’t like to eat according to time and other numbers.
what planet are you living on? 
with food, maybe but look how food is going.
they are talking taxing…big taxing of meat to shut down the market more so the environment can be saved from animal emissions.
the way forward to me is not showing much smarts.
take wars and the combative nature of this mankind on this planet and in the bitter end, we are our own worst enemy point blank and we should have already learned so darn much and we should have put so much of that knowledge into play already…good gravy if we still have to learn more or at least put some effort into some real ‘good change’, I sure haven’t seen much—on a very personal note on it all tho of course.
hey that is my devil’s thoughts on it all
from the article:
Food production is responsible for a quarter of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions and a series of scientific studies have shown that red meat and dairy have far bigger impacts than plant-based food. People in rich nations already eat more meat than is healthy and in the UK only one in three eat the recommended five daily portions of fruit and vegetables.
I say with thinking like this I know we are in for bad times ahead still regarding our food supply…gonna hit the wallet for total control. Real nutrition plays no role. It is all about the profits and more plus throw in some ‘save the environment’ by taxing your food but heaven forbid we shut down a plastic factory overproducing carbons and more into the air to produce that piece of plastic toy and other useless crap that means nothing to our lives, but darn our food sure does… LOL
To me it is an unstable world. I don’t see it getting better before getting a giant time worse and then can we comeback even? No clue, I won’t be around by then
Boy, have we digressed! My original thoughts were mostly about why women, evolutionarily speaking, might have a tendency to crave carbs more so than men, particularly a certain times in their cycle.
But on the next topic. Yes, I am very scared where the world seems to be heading with pushing vegetarianism. VERY SCARED!!!
LOL 
but think back then, without big protein and hunt and eat meat our brains wouldn’t have even gotten to this stage…and yes I would think that the women would be more the gathers cause they were more based in the camp doing their thing, I would be searching for extra food also in that one camp would never know if a kill was coming home as a meal at all?
I think women got experimented on more than guys eating the veg that was poisonous or non-poisonious 
and think now thru un=natural lifestyles and what we have done in our progression, we are cancelling out meat as ‘a real deal nutrition’ and going plant based, which is not where we evolved from?
vicious insane cycle of circle crazy if ya ask me over it all