MOOvember Carnivore

#186

Lamb chops last night. It is still the cheapest ruminant meat on the bone in this region of the world. Eggs and bacon breakfasts. Sunny days but hours at the computer finishing end of teaching semester marking and admin tasks.

Pretty sure Mrs. Bear’s sore throat, lost voice, and subsequent coughing was the latest round of coronavirus, as we have a bit of an uptick here. I felt a bit off last Saturday after the corporate lunch and training day. But nothing developed.

I’m in the way-of-eating groove with 2MAD, noFUN, 2 morning coffees a few hours apart, salty beef bone broth in the afternoon, eggs and bacon (note: no cheese) to break fast, and a ruminant red meat meal at night, sometimes with pan-fried halloumi.

I saw in the social media that couples, and family cooks, have a major stress about what to make or provide for dinner. Getting in a carnivore-based groove, if you are of the personality type that doesn’t mind routine delicious food, solves that life problem.

Fasting blood glucose before breakfast was 5.0mmol/l (90mg/dl). Run out of blood ketone measuring sticks at this time.

#187

Can you eat that deer?

(Vic) #188

Tell us about it ? Did it work for you.
You plan on doening more relaxed Carnivore? or Keto with 20gr carbs a day?

#189

Hi Vic, thanks for replying.
It’s been really interesting! I started ZC because I had a load of beef in and knew I had a busy month with work. Luckily I didn’t have any serious health issues to repair and felt great from a few months of Keto. I expected to lose energy but that hasn’t happened :grinning:
I had blood work done last week to double check a strange result I’d had in October, the results are totally reversed and now at the opposite end of the range so weird BUT I feel great so not concerned!
ZC ‘fits’ well with my lifestyle, it’s super convenient and my dogs love it too! I’m going to continue but add salmon in as I’ve overdone the steak. I ditched cream 3 weeks ago as I can’t be sensible with it and mostly cook with lard, no change in the food shop bill either which has surprised me. Oddly don’t miss coffee?
It’s only been 30 days but I already feel like I know more about my metabolism. Even though I was tracking everything whilst doing Keto I suspect I wasn’t eating enough as I now eat 4 times a day. I feel like I’ve lost weight, I’m weighing in an hour so I’ll find out soon.

I’m definitely keeping going and looking forward to the journey, I find friends’ and colleagues horrified reactions quite entertaining too!

#190

I can’t and actually don’t want to kill the roe deer.
But I am aware it is tasty… I have very nice memories about all the deer meat I ever ate. That was the bigger kind. I suppose they are similar. One day I will buy some roe deer meat, the hypermarket has it. I know a specialized shop for various treats from the forest, they have game meat too.

If it’s ruminant, my two big favs are mutton and deer meat, apparently. Not like I know beef much, I barely ever ate it in my life and that was probably not the best cut even when it was from the not so far away farm with great meat. The mutton from there was wonderful. The cheaper cuts of beef we got were good but not that good.
And I still never tried veal. Last time they had some and even at normal beef prices, IDK why but the timing was bad. I’ve heard veal is less flavorful but maybe the tenderness makes a big difference…? Whatever, I want to try it out one day soon.

I have freshly baked sausages but it’s not even lunchtime yet and I probably won’t be hungry even then so I behave :slight_smile:

(Karen) #191

Oh my goodness I thought that was a spaniel type dog lying on his back with butter on his tummy … get ya specs on girl … oh they are on … no hope for me is there :rofl::rofl::rofl:

I saw the steak when you mentioned it lol looks good :wink:

Yes, my ZC woe was a regular topic of conversation when I was working but I did find a small number really intrigued and interested by it, so I was always more than happy to spread the word and the joy :slightly_smiling_face:

#192

Oh it’s nice to be back to carnivore :slight_smile: Hopefully I will think that even after some days with normal pork. My last leanish slab is defrosting in the fridge.
The 4 ingredient sausages were good! I ate better but I had access to super good home-raised home-made pork before… It was really good and satiating.
I had 1.5 pieces (210g) with 2 sponge cake muffins, 3 soft-boiled eggs and a little Greek yogurt for dessert :slight_smile: And a milky coffee as well.

I want to make my own sausage again.

#193

woke up not really hungry but one word came to mind and hit me like a brick over the head.

ribeye

simple. got a 1 lb. ribeye steak defrosting for first meal.

second meal not a thought but thinking some shrimp with or without alfredo maybe after that.

I know I WANT THAT ribeye real bad :slight_smile: but also know nothing else is drawing me so 2nd meal is a more whatever light fare I find.

ZC ON GUYS!

(Vic) #194

Sounds like you belong here. Welcome :smile:

Not a lot of us eat 4 times a day, that’s a lot.
I eat 2 times a day and sometimes only 1 meal, a big fatty one then.

I’m inspired, going to buy some fresh Salmon this week and some Philadelphia soft cheese to spread on it.
Don’t know if I’m going to cook the salmon, don’t think so, its nice raw.

#195

remember @VictoriaA our time on plan is how we eat. Many here are longer term easily and fall into 2 meals per day. Do you on that one as you need.

When I started I was 4 meals, 6 meals, 3 meals plus meat snacks, hit OMAD for a small time, then I was 2 meals then 3 meals and then it changed again til my ‘final spot’ and time my body wanted food hit literally 2 meals per day…so newer means alot of change and time on the lifestyle shows you eventually where you will land.

key being, hungry? eat all the zc you want at all times. This moves us forward big time on where we get more nourished and heal more interally and hormones re-balance and we find ‘our new us’ personally on this lifestyle.

just thoughts to convey :slight_smile:

#196

I can see the Spaniel resemblance too! It wasn’t the best cooked steak but it tasted a lot better than the dreadful pic thankfully!
Other peoples reactions have been mixed but a colleague is interested to join me and I honestly didn’t try to recruit! So I now have an ally when avoiding the last-ish part of a menu (sorry I don’t know how to blur text / don’t want to use wrong terms in here).

#197

@carnivoor2 Thank you, it’s great to be here. This forum has been a fantastic help.
You’re right about 4 meals being a lot. Somewhere along the way I’ve forgotten to keep fats up so that may be why I’ve felt hungry a lot.
I need to switch things up, I’ve lost 12lbs this month, not planned as I’m on maintenance but not a problem - but need to re-visit the basics.

I LOVE raw salmon and also crispy salmon skin so I cooked a fillet for dinner, enjoy yours!

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@Fangs
Thanks for this help, I put increasing to 4 meals a day down to early days/adapting etc. now I think it’s time to increase portion size, drop a meal and eat fattier meats/fish.
It’s been a full on work month but I’ve got a few days off so time to get a plan going and some shopping in, I’ve had crab in my head since you mentioned it last week so on the hunt for that now!

#198

I am the one with frequent 4-6 meal days and I hate it. I never had that many before, just on carnivore. It’s one of my most important goals to get rid of them.
I have 1-3 meal days quite often too, those are better but if I go over 1, I usually don’t stop until 3-5.

No idea about today yet but I had my second, smaller meal. Finally finished my leftover pork roast. I checked, it was 8 days old… Wow. I never kept leftover roast out of the freezer for this long. But it was still okay. Meat is amazing.
It wasn’t tempting but I had some wonderful sausage fat and with that it was easy to eat. Some more milky coffees, 5g cheese and that’s it as I simply had nothing else to eat (just items I find boring and I wan’t hungry enough for that).
But I got satiation later.

(Karen) #199

Thats amazing llosing the weight, all the better when not trying … maybe thats whee a lot of people go wrong, they try too hard, IDK , I’m not here for weightless myself.

Its nice to have allies but personally I have never needed any, when I get focused, I get focused. Tbh I haven’t eaten deserts for years, I stopped eating wheat, gluten and dairy (though I include a bit of cheese now) many years ago which of course made it incredibly easy to transition to carnivore.

(Karen) #200

Well last night I went to bed before 9pm, lay on my back, straight, arms by my side and thats how I slept for the majority of the night! I woke a few times as per and could have got up at 3.45am but manages to get back to sleep and all in all apparently slept for 9hrs 40mins! Must have needed it, I know I didn’t get a great sleep the night before.

Thought oh I feel great this morning g and went downstairs and started feeling sick. Sat down with the brew n books, in the lounge as it was chucking it down outside, and sat for a while trying to get through the nausea. Thankfully it subsided so I drank my coffee read some chapters and then went to the gym. Upper weights day. Didnt feel particularly strong today and a little bit light headed. Did a good workout though.

Returned home and read some more with another black coffee and before I knew it was 12.45 so fried the last duck egg and had that with 3 small pieces of roast pork. Still barking this morning and with a shove from my 'mother’s (my daughter Sian) phoned the surgery. The Doctor called me back very shortly afterwards and asked me to pop in for a check up. I was sure there wouldn’t be a chest infection and of course the cough had stage fright when I got there but he checked me 9ver and said my chest and back sounded clear. I asked about the bloods I had taken a few weeks ago and he said they all came back excellent, cholesterol was down to 5.5 from 7 a couple of years ago and he said the trigs and other tests were all really good. I said I was pleased and this carnivore zc woe must be doing me some good :smiley: hahaha. He advised just a bit more R&R.

Made a rump steak when I arrived back home. I knew it would be a bit rough as it was one of a pack of 8 that I have been trying to get through and each one has been tough. Had it with my special butter. Also had a mug of beef stock and will probably eat a bit more pork shortly.

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#201

I ALWAYS need to have sponge cakes and ready to eat meat. I know that but sometimes I just don’t. Today was a tad difficult. I was busy with things and wasn’t hungry all day so it wasn’t very annoying but I couldn’t get satiated (maybe for a little time after my first meal). I am not satiated since 4pm and it’s 1:44am now… I had 2 more meals (eggs and dairy as I had nothing else. well I had a little catfish spread, all alone as I had nothing to eat it with) and it’s borderline okay now. I clearly feel that my body wants meat, it has this thing since some time despite I functioned pretty well without any meat for quite long before, on a very different woe, meat is vital now but still, why can’t I eat low-meat occasionally? Okay, occasionally can but I usually feel my day seriously lacking when I try (typically out of necessity. I like meat except when I am bored of it).
I could have fry some meat but I pretty much was done with cooking for the day and I had 2 meaty meals already. It should have been okay but my body doesn’t work that way. Oh well, I survived pretty well, practiced handling low-meat and the resulting lack of satiation, that’s useful… But I will make sure I always will have some meat and sponge cakes to eat from now on. ALWAYS. Not “ooops, I postpone it for reasons but it should be fine”. No, it won’t necessarily be fine. Maybe I will never learn (I have this with my extremely high optimism, experiences don’t really help). Maybe I should start baking/cooking even if it’s very late but needed. Even if I already had many meals. But my personality is against that. Supplies in the freezer then.
No idea about my macros but they should be fine I suppose. I will track tomorrow.

And @FrankoBear, thanks for the art creating ai link!!! It is so much fun and inspiration :smiley: I got farther from drawing again and hopefully it helps me to go back to it. My usual inspiration source is out now :frowning:
I already see colorful things if I close my eyes…
It would be nice to dream artistically but I never did that. It’s my brain, why it can’t give me something cool?

(Judy Thompson) #202

@Fangs How right you are. It’s not like I have amazing, rebounding, limitless energy but it’s energy that is even throughout the day. If I have a night with less sleep it doesn’t faze me through the day like it used to. We are both tired after a weekend like this one, to be sure! I feel like the weight loss has helped a lot too though. I don’t say no, can’t do anything else, I have one thing planned and the rest of the day I have to sleep. Every day is pretty much packed with things from dawn to bedtime (Mimsy gets me up at dawn, she knows I won’t take her out while it’s still dark - too many nocturnal critters out there that might find a 9 lb dog a pretty sweet snack.)
Yesterday we had to run errands, one of which was Walmart, but not shopping day, so I wandered around looking for laundry detergent and couldn’t help peering at those endless shelves of junk and thinking, sheesh, I’m glad I don’t need any of this anymore. I can walk down nearly every aisle in there and pass thousands of products that I have absolutely no use for anymore. It’s freeing to see all that and know I’ll never need any of it again.
@Shinita Yes, one egg is not a meal, you’re right and no way. I usually make lunch for us (sort of an OMAD but we also snack in the evening). I’m not hungry in the morning but by 10 I am and usually aim for lunch to come out around 12:30. I just don’t want to get full on eggs at 10 or 10:30 and not be able to eat my lunch, usually better food than a boiled egg… I’ve eaten a boiled egg as my snack for years. It’s what, 60 calories? Then the mayo, whatever that comes to. Just a smidge of a snack that keeps hunger at bay til it’s time for a real meal :slight_smile:
About mayo. I used to always make my mayo and I would use the lightest grapeseed oil I could find. I actually got the idea from reading about it on this forum in 2019 and have done so ever since. Then with ZC I tried making the bacon mayo and it takes so much grease and it’s very heavy, not the same consistency as regular mayo at all. But today, putting duck fat under the turkey skin to smoke it - I thought about duck fat as a base for mayo. I think I’ll try that. It does get hard in the fridge and I think needs to be refrigerated. Beef tallow is more stable at room temp but then there is the egg which isn’t, so it would still have to be chilled. I’ll get another jar of duck fat tomorrow and try making mayo with that. I don’t like consuming all that soy oil, it’s nasty. But mayo is one of the necessary evils of life. So it’s down to creating it in a way that’s more sustainable to life :slight_smile:
Smoked the turkey today. It was quite good! I don’t like white meat much because it’s usually dry, but the breast of this one was really nice and moist. Just a 10 lb turkey but there’s enough left for at least a couple more meals. I had a leg and thigh, very filling. Gave the breast meat to hubby. I put paprika on it in addition to the salt, got the poultry rub out but didn’t use it.

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A beef tritip roast is coming out of the sous vide in an hour. That will also give us a few days of meals. Tomorrow we’re out running around so will eat in a restaurant.
@Karen18 Hope you feel better soon from that irritating cough.Great to see you relaxing and enjoying life in your retirement!

#203

That is perfect. You change around those meals any way you feel is right for you and suits your day and appetite. As your body heals up more and gets way more nourished, your body will signal you definitely it wants changes and you just listen and find your new path a bit.

Crab…oh boy…they put the ‘on sale’ down to $12.99 lb. and even that is so high for what ya get ya know…I need a lower sale price. Luckily around New Years they low price them and hopefully I can get $9.99/lb then. I will wait and see and hit the store and buy a bunch for my freezer if I am lucky enough to get that price. What kills me is not that long ago I was getting them on good sale for $5.99/lb…damn inflation…ugh

@Karen18
hope your feeling better K!
He advised more R & R? well super cool, you take it. what a great prescription to hand out :slight_smile: Glad your numbers are doing so well also~!!

@JJFiddle
great post reading how well you are doing. stable energy thru the day, definitely a good benefit to have vs. our old selves :slight_smile: like how you said that!!

OH YEA I so agree with you how I see a store now like you said. The items on the shelves ‘as food’ etc. and what I have 0 inkling to buy is very freeing for sure. A big perk on this lifestyle to me also! This rings so true with me too!

----------------------woke up again with food not really on my mind.
have to hit grocery for some basics like toilet paper etc LOL so I will shop the meat dept and see what is up. Stores are focused on turkey and I don’t eat it so not alot of great other meat sales happening but might run across some markdowns.

today I think a few mini meatloafs in the oven for me. Make like 2 lbs. of 90/10 meat and make 4 mini loaves. might be all I eat today. sounds simple and good to me :slight_smile:

Have a fine ZC day all!

(Michael) #204

Only one photo from yesterday

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Along with photo I ate 10 oz cheese, 1 pound hamburger, 4oz snails, 5 oz salmon and 1.5 oz sardines over the day. 4180 calories, yum!

#205

The start of the problem :laughing:, perpetuated in New York (cartoon from The New Yorker)

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Barking?

I don’t understand the attraction? Is it like coffee? I think there is even a hospital in the USA dedicated to it.

3 x scrambled chicken eggs in butter with some mackerel, because I’ve eaten all the bacon. 2 coffees 3 hours apart, both with a cream dollop. Setting up for a Cattleman’s steak dinner. Maybe some Spanish Mancego cheese.