May 2018 IF/EF chat - all welcome

(Trish) #121

Ya and PPIs have a whole slew of other side effects too that people don’t even realize…mineral malabsorption, osteoporosis, to name a couple off the top of my head. I’m a big fan of the herbalist.

(Mother of Puppies ) #122

I’m on day 3 of ADF,

Finished a 42 this morning

Ate two good sized meals

Now in hour five and HUNGRY!! Like stomach cramp hungry!!

Why?

How?

Should I have a fatty drink or another meal?

(*Rusty* Instagram: @Rustyk61) #123

Just hit 60 hours and feel great. I’ll make 72 hours with no problems.

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(Liz ) #124

I’m at 59 hours and since the mornings are easiest for fasting I’m already wondering if I should forge on & skip planned dinner tonight & eat tomorrow instead. It’ll be a different story at 4 pm lol. We’ll see. After glimpsing 159 during a previous epic fast, then bouncing back up to linger around 163-167 for weeks & weeks, I’m on the verge of seeing 159 again. Would love to bounce around 160 for the summer instead of 165.

#125

I’m interested that lots say they have a good feed before an EF; I can understand that it’s probably a good idea but I find I’m always hungrier after a good eating day than if I have less, keto or pre-keto!
Ate 2 good keto meals while out with friends yesterday, extra hungry this morning! I’m aiming for a 48 hour fast- that’ll be my longest so far; I’ve done up to 42 before, but no longer. I am having cream in coffee today though on account of the hunger, but whatever helps…

(Steve) #126

I think a couple days of high fat / high calorie eating just before an EF (lulling the body into a false sense of plentifulness, then you take the food away) may help to raise your BMR. It’s just a theory / experiment…we’ll see if it helps kick off the next series of weight loss for me or not. :slight_smile:

(Robert C) #127

Hi May IF/EF chat readers!

I am at 7.5 days of an extended fast - started at 215 lbs or 97.5 kg (5’ 8’’ or 1.7 meter tall male).
It is just past 4:30 AM here on the USA west coast so, yes, that lack of need for sleep is real for me today.
First 5.5 days were black coffee, water and salt with 2 nights of 8 ounces of that Kettle & Fire bone broth and daily supplements. Then (Sunday morning) I started to shoot for autophagy - moved to green tea, water and salt only (I miss my great tasting coffee but the definitely-not-so-great-tasting green tea prevents the caffeine withdrawal headache) and absolutely nothing else - including no supplements.
Hoping to keep this restricted phase going until a nice cup of joe on Friday morning (5 days of autophagy) then switch back to a finishing up mode with bone broth each night - breaking my fast at just over 14 days on Monday night.
I had visions of going even longer but then I received that dreaded meeting request to join my team for lunch for a new employee on the following Tuesday. Kind of one of those must attend/must eat things - or at least I am not hardcore enough to skip the event or show up and not eat.
This fast is a kickstart anyway and my plan is to jump back to fasting from Sunday dinner to whatever feels good (Wednesday or Thursday) weekly until I hit my goal (drop a total of 35 lbs or 16 kg).
There, I said it. Hopefully sending this kind of thing out the the universe will help me (guilt me?) into sticking with it! Will report on deviations (if any) and final numbers of these two weeks Monday.

(Trish) #128

That’s what happened with me on my last 6 day fast. Lost 9 pounds and ot all came back within a week after. So frustrating. …especially since the prior fasts only had 1 pound regain. I think the body is disinclined to give up those last 20 pounds or so of fat though. It was suggested to me that I significantly up my fat to show my body that there will not be a shortage so that is my current M/O. I actually ate 2200 cals yesterday with about 190 grams of fat. I’ll let you know, @LizinLowell, in a few days if eating more total and more fat specifically gives me a Kickstart again.

(Trish) #129

Be sure to report back. Enquiring minds… :slight_smile:

(Doug) #130

I think it’s a very individual thing, Jules. :slightly_smiling_face: The individual should try it both ways, perhaps, quite a few times, to really see how they feel.

Never have ramped-up eating before a fast here, just don’t think of it. I’d even go so far as to say that it’s often like parties - the best ones can be spontaneous, rather than having been planned far in advance. Usually just eating one meal a day in the evening, I get to late afternoon and think, “Well, if I just don’t eat, I’ve already got almost a full day in already…”

(Liz ) #131

Yep, that sounds like exactly where I’m at! Eager to hear your report.

#132

ADF has been going well- but I’m sooo frustrated by the scale. My weight easily fluctuates up to 8lbs. I know, I know, ditch the scale. The thing is, I have encountered digestive issues on keto- days of constipation followed by watery diarrhea (sorry if that’s TMI- I’m a nurse) that I never experienced prior to keto, and so my measurements are sometimes difficult to trust due to bloating etc.
Last night I had an emotionally-triggered keto binge (because I’ve been so discouraged about the seeming lack of meaningful progress)- made fathead pizza and ate the whole thing, and homemade keto ice cream with HWC- and was SO bloated and uncomfortable I never wanted to think of food again.
Very very sorry if this is all distasteful and gross to share. :grimacing: Just would really love advice!
Now, I’ve started an EF (hopefully 36+ hours) and have decided to try dairy free for 3 weeks following that to see if maybe it’s the culprit in causing digestive issues and inflammation (seen in huge scale fluctuations).
Care to weigh in, keto-ers?
Also, being precise with macros is incredibly time-consuming and seems quite obsessive. But should I be doing this to whittle down? I do check in periodically to determine where I’m at, but not daily. I know this is oft-repeated, but I’m quite confused about calories. On feasting days, sticking to 1700 at most? Or eating until satiety?
I know ultimately it’s self experimentation but maybe others have some input to give.
Novel over!

(Allie) #133

My 4lbs loss from my last three day fast came right back within a week too. Meh.

(Steve) #134

The diarrhea could very well be some food intolerance. I ran into that when I started Keto - had it for about 2 1/2 weeks before I figured out it was the Swerve that I was putting in my coffees in the morning. (I now drink my coffee only with HWC, unless I make a bulletproof coffee - but none of it is sweetened).
Edit: The reason it took so long? I didn’t care as it was helping with weight loss…yeah…ok…I’m a putz for not nailing it down sooner - guilty! :smiley:
You should track your meals until you figure out the cause of the loose stool - then start eliminating until you nail it down.

(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #135

Regaining seems to be the trend for a lot of us lately. I keep losing and regaining, but I am under my goal weight, so it is a tad less stressful doing this. I just would like to slowly work my weight down a tad bit more, like 5 lbs. and try to stay stable there like I am at my current weight.

(Victoria Mc Coy) #136

Very helpful info, Liz. I’m just starting to think about dropping my fat intake to increase the “banked” contribution I’ve been carrying around for so long – but I’m really nervous about lowering my BMR if I drop those calories from fat.

I feel like I can do it appetite-wise. Any wisdom from more experienced Keto insulin/obsesity fighters out there on making that transition? Liz, I’d love to hear how your experience was with dialing back fat calories at the beginning of your journey.

(Victoria Mc Coy) #137

At hour 39 of the first of 3 ADFs this week, and feeling just a little hungry. Salt is my friend. Will go to lunch or dinner, depending on how I’m feeling later today.

I have an IDM coaching session later today and I’m planning to ask about OMAD between ADF days as well as the reduction of fat calories as a strategy to make better progress. Originally I was advised that my caloric intake was too low and stalling my weight loss, so I find that aspect of my current path most confusing now.

Down a pound on the scale this morning, which is always great to see, even though I have no doubt that water weight will bounce me around that new low for awhile.

(Liz ) #138

I definitely did not dial back fat calories at the beginning of my fat loss journey, I ate 75 to 80% of my calories in fat, it’s just that it was lower calories over all because I was getting what I needed off bodyfat and had no appetite. At 7 months my fat loss slowed and my appetite returned but I didn’t increase calories. Now, 13 months in, I’m increasing calories with a tiny bit more protein but mostly fat.

#139

Committing here to a roughly 48 hour fast (I say “roughly” because dinner last night extended to after 8:00 and I’m planning to fast til dinner tomorrow). I binged yesterday so I have no hunger today and I expect it will be easy until at least mid-afternoon.

(Kirk) #140

Two hours to the finish line. 72 hours. Feeling fantastic. Walked 7 miles today and spent an hour on the motorcycle. Grass-fed burgers with home made fathead buns in the process for supper. Dropped a couple pounds, but tomorrow will tell the story.