May 2018 IF/EF chat - all welcome

(Liz ) #101

I’m at 44 hours, no struggles so far. But I tend to get very spacy on day 2. Does this happen to anyone else? Have you found a fix?

(Susan) #102

Thanks for the reply.

I just spoke to my husband a few minutes ago, and realized he will NOT be home for dinner tonight. He’s working until 8:00 p.m. so I could have extended my fast longer since eating with him was why I was keeping it to 48 hours. I would have extended it until tomorrow afternoon though, because I really really don’t like to eat that late at night. Maybe it’s just psychological, but I always feel that I’m so much heavier (and hungrier) in the morning if I eat after 6:00 p.m.

But it’s all good….my garlic parmesan wings and cheesy cauliflower rice are cooking up and look and smell absolutely outrageous. About 10 minutes to dinner…

(*Rusty* Instagram: @Rustyk61) #103

So here is a good question for you fasting gurus…

How can you not eat for two days and develop a good case of gas?

:nerd_face::poop:

(Doug) #104

Good question, Rusty. I’ve heard of people’s digestive tracts doing odd things, like reversing flow to some extent, resulting in fermenting food from the large intestine going back into the small intestine. I don’t know if this means more overall gas production or not. As far as I know the only way to get gas into us is to swallow air, or else have bacteria at work making gas as part of their metabolism by-products.

Not eating for two days - could it just be stuff that has not exited the large intestine yet?

(*Rusty* Instagram: @Rustyk61) #105

Oh, I’m pretty sure there’s something in there based on the smell…:flushed:

(Liz ) #106

I still can’t shake the memory of reading about the “black sludge” that apparently manifests at a certain point on longer EFs :flushed:

(*Rusty* Instagram: @Rustyk61) #107

A little past 48 hours!

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(Trish) #108

Talking too much and swallowed too much air?

Carbonated water?

Fermented last meal?

Idk. That’s all I got. :laughing:

(Trish) #109

The ileocecal valve doesn’t typically allow for back - flow. At least it’s not supposed to. That’s not to say it can’t happen but when it does it’s not usually an isolated occurrence; rather a chronic medical condition.

Edit: Apologies Doug. I just reread this and it sure sounds preachy (bitchy). That wasn’t my intent at all. I’ll go sit quietly in the corner now and try to behave. :pensive:

(Kirk) #110

52 hours into my first 72, feeling great, just got back from fire department training.

(Doug) #111

Not at all, Shallimar, no worries - totally agreed that it’s usually (almost always) a one-way street. :slightly_smiling_face:

Makes perfect sense.

I can’t find what I read about fasting and the alimentary canal “running in reverse,” so to speak. Searched for it just now and there ain’t much out there… (I think it was on the forum of fastingconnection.com, but that place seems to be unresponsive now.) Retroperistalsis has a Wikipedia entry, and it’s rather a nasty subject. Pretty common for stuff to go back from the colon into the large intestine, or from the small intestine into the stomach and further backwards, i.e. “up and out” as in vomitting. But not much about stuff going from the large intestine into the small intestine. If there is some weird stuff that fasting causes - might take a lot more than 2 days’ fasting to set it in motion, as well.

(Candy Lind) #112

It seems to be either the end of the first 24 or the second 24 that are hard for a lot of people. It’s interesting, to say the least.

(Candy Lind) #113

Just an FYI - it’s SOP in fasting threads to blur “food talk” as a courtesy to those who might have a problem with it. Just highlight, then under the “gear” at the top, choose “blur spoiler.”

(Candy Lind) #114

Excess consumption of Capsicum annuum? :smiling_imp:

(Empress of the Unexpected) #115

Three weeks in. Lost 6 pounds, pink on strip and feel great. Huge mood improvement. Want to try fasting but get afternoon stomachaches that doctors can’t figure out. Pre Keto, Keto, same brand of ache. Dinner gets rid of the ache. Any idea whether I should even try fasting? It starts with a huge gas buildup. But same time every day is weird. ACV?

(Susan) #116

Oh my goodness. I’m so sorry! Thanks for the heads-up.

And woo hoo - now I have 2 new forum skills. I can edit and I can blur out spoilers. Look at me go…

(Candy Lind) #117

:woman_shrugging: Me, I am shrugging my shoulders! :woman_shrugging: I hope you figure it out.

(Trish) #118

Possible GERD? Like too much acid when your stomach is empty and nothing in it to absorb the acid.
So this might sound weird but my dog actually has this problem. If he goes too long between eating or doesn’t get fed when his body expects it he throws up. …nothing but bile. I have to feed him small amounts more frequently and at random times.
What if you tried some tea shortly before the expected episode? Camomile, peppermint, ginger or fennel are all calming or digestive teas. Or see an herbalist for a concoction that would act as an acid reducer but that isn’t a commercial PPI.

(Empress of the Unexpected) #119

That’s not a bad idea. I will try that, thanks. I would like to get down to two meals a day but it will take some time. Breakfast is at nine, lunch 1, dinner five. Evenly spaced, so I don’t get the afternoon stomach pain.

(Candy Lind) #120

IIRC, GERD is often actually a case of not enough acid to trigger the esophageal sphincter to close. Often, people taking PPIs just make things worse. My hubby and I take ACV for the rare heartburn event these days.