Low Carb but low in saturated fat?

[FatMan]

Why are you afraid of being wrong Richard? So tell me, are you a registered dietitian or an active nutrition researcher from a prestigious university? If you are, I can’t find your qualifications online.

So I will stick with what the actual experts say on the topic, and not what someone who is unqualified to interpret studies thinks. I listed at least 4 or 5 organizations who use expert consensus. I think that is all I really need to make an adequate decision on whether or not saturated fat, or bleach, or asbestos, is unhealthy.

Hi Luci,

As you admit that your “are not qualified to interpret studies” how exactly are you somehow magically qualified to pick which experts are right and which ones are wrong? It is a fact, an objective reality, that there are “experts”, dietary scientists, that disagree with the standard dietary recommendations of the AHA. It is an objective fact that the Swedish government has now officially rejected exactly that low fat dogma after an extensive two year review of 16,000 studies.

Please tell me how you are so certain that I am wrong now and that I was not wrong a meager six months ago when my views where, to a very great extent, the same as yours?

Respectfully, I would posit that if your are not qualified to interpret studies, neither are you qualified to opine on which interpretations of those same studies are correct, and which are in error. Anyone who accepts as a truth that you are not qualified to interpret those studies must, as a mater of logic, also dismiss your views on which interpretations of those studies are worth accepting.

Once again, I am not telling you what to think, I am only empowering you to think, to think for yourself.

Just as Socrates is reported to have stated at his trail for impiety, “… the unexamined life is not worth living”, I would assert that the unexamined diet is not worth eating.

Keto for Life.

Warmest Regards,
Richard

[KetoWally]

PURE study. Recruited 153.996 adults from 17 countries aged 35-70 years between 2003 and 2009. They are in the process of making their findings known this year to the medical world.

President of the World Heart Federation, Professor Salim Yusuf “Contrary to common belief the current recommendation to reduce saturated fat has no scientific basis.”

[Jacob4Jesus]

Why are you afraid of learning?

Why are you afraid of being wrong Richard?

I don’t have any authority here. But I am going to ask friend to friend that we discontinue this debate in this thread.

We are not here to judge either the credentials or conclusions of others.

The founders of this forum have said that it has two dogmas, “show me the science,” and, “do what works for you.”

Not everyone is in the same place about everything and if we really want to help eachother that has to be okay.

If you want to debate the value of saturated fats, I as humbly as I can request you start a thread to do that.

–Jacob

[Jack_Brien]

There is quite a bit of evidence available on this forum, presented by people who are extremely well qualified to interpret the studies. Have a look at the podcasts, a recent one with Dr Malhotra, a UK cardiologist may be helpful, or previous to that there are discussions with Prof Noakes, Dr Nicolantonio (editor of the BMJ Open Heart) , and Dr Fettke, an Australian orthopaedic surgeon.
Hope that helps

[JayBee]

Hi Lucy,

If you aren’t here to learn this WOE, perhaps you should stop what is coming across as quite rude.

Everyone here respects others. @FatMan & @carl have reduced their diabetes, along with weight loss.

No one is “pushing an agenda”, “conspiracy theorists”, or anything in the like.

If Keto isn’t for you, perhaps you should see a nutritionist for your dietary needs. 100 grams of carbs per day is a lot; the whole point of Keto is to kick the sugar burning and burn fat off of your body, while feeling better.

I am not listing my credentials because in the forum we are just people instead of health care professionals, BUT I would never recommend poly’s to anyone in good conscience.

I eat whole food, good food, non-GMO, and it’s delicious.

Why are you so resistant to the help being offered? This is not an attack, just trying to figure out what your goals are and the like.

Best,
Jen

[JayBee]

@tnsg

As an American, I respect European studies more than American studies.

Why?

America is run by pharmaceutical companies. These companies fund most of the research in this country. Pharmaceutical companies WANT you to be sick… therefore raising prices on both OTC and prescription meds.

Totally aside, they also fund campaigns for politicians…

Something to chew on…

[Madeleine]

Hi Lucy,

If you’re willing to read past the AHA headlines, I think that you’ll find that the science doesn’t support the saturated fat fears at all, and if you want to do some in-depth reading, you can start with Nina Teicholz’s excellent book The Big Fat Surprise. (Disclaimer - this might have already been mentioned! I haven’t read through all the posts). She traces the studies on which some of those AHA claims are based, and it’s fascinating and a wonderful read.

In any case, if you’re determined to avoid saturated fats, keto is doable, but I would avoid the highly processed seed and bean oils (canola and soybean in particular), and stick to fatty fish, olive oil, and avocado for your main fats.

[Madeleine]

ooh boy… having now actually read the whole thread, I stand by my advice but now I see how we’re at 27 posts in a half a day.

Lucy, there’s a lot of interesting information out there, and you’ll have to learn to figure out which experts to trust and also how to sift through studies and use pretty basic common sense. The websites that you link to are the “We all know the earth is flat” version of nutritional science at this point. You don’t need to take our word for it, but I would recommend more skepticism and more reading than you’ve done to date if you want to make good decisions about your health.

Here’s a simple starting point from the common sense approach:

animal fats = part of human diet since the dawn of our species

canola and soybean oils recommended by the AHA = new, highly processed foods

[Dipper_Actual]

If we trusted in the experts with our health, there wouldn’t be any of us here.
The ketogenic diet is pretty much the inversion of any authority’s guidelines except Sweden’s.

[VLC.MD]

very low in saturated fats. I do not mind the inclusion of polyunsaturated fats, however.

Make sure you don’t eat salmon.
It is one third saturated fat.

Easy on the olive oil and soybean oil … 12-17% saturated fat.

Here is a thread about fats.

Types of Fat in food: Saturated, Monounsaturated, Polyunsaturated

[Fat_composition_in_foods] I’ve been looking into the debate of Poly vs Mono - Unsaturated Fat … which is the best ? Found the above chart on wikipedia [link]. The visual overview works well for me to spot trends. The PURE study found that monounsaturated fat was good (protective against heart disease). Saturated fat was neutral (not bad, not protective) and Polyunsaturated fat was “trending” to bad for you, but didn’t reach statistical significance. So, in the pursuit of “Healthy” fats, I…

[Saphire]

I will accept that this post was done as a genuine question rather than to start a debate.

The diet you want is not sustainable. I know because I was on that diet for most of the last 7 years plus I exercised 4 days a week for 2 hours a day. What happened? I lost 60 lbs only to gain back 48 of those lbs. I would avoid all white flour, gluten, and try to eat mostly whole foods, fruits, vegetables and protein and while I did not limit my fat, I was not eating a tremendous amount. Caloriewise I was at about 1600 per day and when I went back and looked at the logs I had from that time I varied between 75g and 200g of carbs a day. What bothered me was not how painfully slow the weight loss was and that my blood sugar was not where I wanted but that I would use any excuse to cheat and then I would lose control. The fat as a satieting tool keeps me from cheating on keto, that is the main difference.

In the last 10 years I have tried not to use vegetable oils, keto or not, stay away. They are unstable. I only cook with avocado or olive or coconut oil and animal fats.

I was very worried about the fat but the more I read while on keto the less worried I became. Maybe I have drunk the koolaid but I am far more distrustful of western medicine now than I have ever been. One of the top endocinologists in the country is treating my good friend into an early grave due to diabetes, he tells her she can eat what she wants, just match her T2 insulin to her meal, she is already lost several body parts to diabetes. She will eventually lose her life, she has the best care money can buy or at least the most credentialled

I am appalled at how biased studies are. I really did believe that scientific studies represented scientific truth and had been arrived at honestly. I had no idea about the bias, some of it quite unintentional but still there. We were taught that doctors are the high priests of medicine, the only ones allowed to administer it or interpret it. Well they gave that away to the drug companies and now a few people who really care about their health are taking it back. I find it offensive when anyone tells me that I am not qualified to read or understand something. That is being intellectually lazy and I do not believe that