A few not all though…
Long term keto diet unhealthy, according to a friend
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#43
One thing you can glean from this and not even talking in long-term efficacy aspect of the ketogenic LCHF diet is that if you take the fat out of your diet and try the stupid attempt to trying to high carb it with refined foods, sugar and an insulin dominant diet you will probably die of CVD or CHD (sugar) by trapping cholesterol in your blood stream; that is if another twist of fate does not get you first?
#1 killer of Americans is Cardiovascular Disease followed by Medical Malpractice and DWI/DUI!
Statistically speaking all you need is a ten year sample because it will never ever change! 
So is the ketogenic diet safe long-term? HELL YES!!!
Matthew44
(Matthew)
#46
Another fantastic keto testimony!
I am one of the few that doesn’t have a huge problem with DR Berg’s vegetable recommendation. I eat at least 7-8 cups of vegetables a day. I will not eat a meal without a big portion of vegetables. Reducing my vegetable intake is non negotiable in my books. The bigger portion of vegetables the more moderate the protein portion. Then you can stock up on the fat. That’s how I approach it.
Janie
(Jane)
#47
I’m not so sure about that but just my gut feeling. Many moons ago people rarely ate out, ate lard, butter and bacon fats and Mom cooked everything at home from scratch. Produce and meats were locally sourced (and seasonal - we only had grapes in the summer growing up).
ctviggen
(Bob M)
#48
But heart disease doesn’t go into first grade classrooms and kill an entire classroom full of kids.
collaroygal
(KCKO, KCFO)
#50
Yes, their diet would be different as you stated. But my take away when I read it was that the difference was not anything worth worrying about as it was not decades, it was only about a year, sorry I can’t find that link to be more exact.
Bellyman
(Brian)
#51
I wish I had a link, too. I can’t even remember where I heard it or who was saying it. It’s possible I’m in error thinking that their diet was different than ours (certainly possible!) in some of the details. I had in mind that the fats that they were using may not have been so healthy, just don’t know where that idea came from.
It is interesting that the epilepsy was often gone after going back to a regular diet a year or so later in many of the cases. I always did wonder what it was that changed over that time. There are things happening in the brain that are very much a mystery today. Was just listening to a talk by Amy Berger last evening talking about Alzheimer’s… interesting.
Sorry if I did mis-speak about their diet being different.
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#52
As long as you getting enough choline from the incredible egg yolk (choline: 126 mg per large egg yolk) or other sources, you will not get a fatty liver while doing ketogenic diet!
The liver is the only organ in the body that can completely 100% regenerate damage done to it with the exception of Hep-C but sometimes that can be reversed also (currently studying that)!
Milk thistle (silymarin) helps regenerate the liver!
Alcoholic Liver Disease: A human study of 36 people with chronic alcoholic liver disease revealed similar findings.31 Patients took either silymarin or placebo every day for six months. At baseline, all patients had elevations of liver enzymes and other markers of liver damage in their blood; they also had biopsy-proven tissue damage. Following treatment, however, all of the markers of liver damage had normalized in the silymarin group, with minimal changes among placebo recipients. Repeated biopsies revealed improvement in the silymarin group, but no changes in the placebo patients. This study was a powerful demonstration of silymarin’s liver-protective activity, and its ability to improve liver function in alcoholic patients.31 …More
DATA CHOLINE:
Janie
(Jane)
#53
For some reason I always assumed the epilepsy kids had to stay on the low carb diet their entire lives to keep the epilepsy from coming back. Interesting if they only had to stay on it a year or so.
I wish they would do more long-term studies on LCHF. Since our ketones can be measured the researchers do not have to rely on people lying about what they ate and skewing the data. No money to be made though so not holding my breath.
Janie
(Jane)
#55
I had to Google them since I’ve never heard of Virta. Do they publish any papers or do any studies on their patients? How long do they typically follow a patient and do they have any long-term (> 5 years) patients they are still doing follow-ups in their program?
MarkGossage
(bulkbiker)
#56
They’ve just published 2 year research (they haven’t yet been around for much longer).
Dr’s Volek , Phinney and Hallberg all are involved… keto royalty!
Regina
(Empress of the Unexpected)
#59
Among other things, fluid restriction was practiced - I forget whether initially, or throughout the diet.
atomicspacebunny
(Bunny)
#60
Epidemiology cause of death and mortality has everything to with diet in this case thus “appropriate” as more lives are lost from the result of diet than any other cause! I was pointing out epidemiological cause of death statistics relating to diet, health and mortality not about an isolated incident that happened somewhere, someplace that has nothing to do with wide-scale geodemographic statistical data!
juice
(Running from stupidity)
#61
Yes, but he’s Canadian.
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Which is why we come out and whack him whenever possible 
“It kills lots, but not as many as this thing, so we’ll just ignore it.” Righty.
It gets its start there!
Ah, I didn’t realise we were still in the 1700s. Awesome points.
Also, facts matter. I know this is a weird POV for me to hold, but I don’t care. I like facts.