Keto ‘Myths’ ‘Debunked’

(Candy Lind) #33

I’ll dispose of my own, thankyouverymuch!

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #34

When it’s you and a book against the USDA, Harvard, the ADA, the AHA, and the mainstream media, you tend to build up some cult type behaviors when you find a community of like minded folks. You also tend to go a bit anti-establishment in your views. Been here, done this since Usenet was THE thing.

(DJ) #35

That does explain so much!!

(Buffy) #36

As a total newb, yet a gal whom has done her research, & subscribed at one time to the holy church of the veg-headss, where I got sicker & fatter, this guy is a nutball! My word is this vegan propaganda at its finest. As per normal m.o., we are all going die horrible deaths. After 2 weeks, I feel better than I ever did being a brainwashed herbivore. His job is to spout scientific half-truths to those that are the sheeple, scaring them away from the reasl truth of the matter. As has been stated previously, where is your science?

(Bunny) #37

You cannot get the complex proteins (amino acids) needed from just plants (unfortunately)! :slightly_frowning_face: The way this is portrayed is; as if LCHF peeps are eating a half a cow or pig for one dinner and drinking gallons of fat! (if you vegans are watching we eat lots of veggies and very little meat & fat, don’t let % fool you) Lol… :face_with_hand_over_mouth: :rofl:

Video is so very Dr. Neal D. Barnard like…did he/they forget to barely (whisper) MENTION SUGAR (including gluconeogenesis from excessive carbs) intake is the real culprit to all diets; Vegan, Vegetarian, LCHF and Carnivore or whatever, IT DOES NOT MATTER what method you choose!

Selling a book has more priorities I guess (just don’t mention the damage refined sugar and HFCS does including aged bleached flour and wheat flour)!

:roll_eyes:

(Christina) #38

I think this is the webpage from the same guy:


Skimming takes so much less time than video…

Scared of Insulin Resistance
(Melanie Armistead) #39

Or alopecia… which is an autoimmune disease. One of several of my autoimmune diseases that are now in remission due to keto. Maybe he should look into it :joy:

(Jeanne Wagner) #41

Did you just say you had alopecia and now it’s gone?

(Melanie Armistead) #42

My main bout of alopecia happened when I was 6 (S-shaped patches all over my head) and I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism as the same time. Never had a repeat of the pattern, would just lose more hair than usual from time to time, so never really sure whether subsequent times of higher than usual loss was related to alopecia, thyroid disease (which turned out to be Hashimotos), psoriasis (which covered the lower half of my scalp), or something else.

Just know that I lose a lot less now (and it’s grown almost to my waist, so it’d be hard to miss)!

Was about to post then realised that some of the loss in the last 10 years could have been a side effect of the Methotrexate. But then, it was a problem on and off for many years before I started taking it too.

(Jeanne Wagner) #43

I was thinking it would be wonderful if Keto cures that condition. I don’t know anything about it though. I’m glad your hair has grown back.

(Melanie Armistead) #44

Yeah, way too many confounding variables to tell whether there was any direct effect with the alopecia, but the psoriatic arthritis and exercise-induced asthma both went away a few months after I switched to LCHF, and by that stage I’d been off all of my medication except thyroxine for 6 months (with no other major environmental or stress changes), so there’s nothing else that could be attributed to those two - they were definitely diet-related.

Those symptoms (along with the psoriasis) also come back pretty quickly when I eat ‘normal’ food - but I haven’t paid attention to how much hair I lose on a normal vs LC diet. Not really something I want to experiment with though!

(Richard Morris) #45

Intramyocellular fat (lipid droplets inside muscle cells) does indeed cause the cell to become insulin resistant. What causes those is the muscle cell NOT using fat for energy because insulin is high. It’s literally a self defense strategy for the cell to protect itself against high insulin outside the cell.

The cause is not eating fat, it’s eating sugar and starch and NOT burning the fat.

These guys are vegan propegandists. They have an agenda of making people eat fewer animals, and the health of humans is secondary.

(Ethan) #46

No eyebrows is a DMT1 thing, thyroid issue, Vitamin deficiency, or other autoimmune.

I know you find HIM creepy, which is why you bring up the eyebrows as creepy–and I don’t mean to defend him–but I have to sympathize. For the past 2.5 years, my son has spent half the time with no eyebrows. A small child isn’t creepy. He actually lost large patches of his head hair, all his body hair fuzz, and both his eyebrows at age 4. It lead us to find that he has Hashimoto thyroiditis, but that isn’t the cause of the hair loss. We’ve tried numerous treatments. It’s seasonal. He loses large parts of his hair every winter. It mostly grows back in the summer, but not always. He had only a partial eyebrow at one point come back. We currently think it may be a vitamin D deficiency.

(Ethan) #47

As per my previous post, my son has seasonal alopecia. He loses large spots of his hair every winter. We think its Vitamin D related. He also has Hashimoto’s, but not yet hypothyroidism.

(Melanie Armistead) #48

I also had chronically low vitamin D (not sure how long for as I think it was online tested once my arthritis was diagnosed) and was taking 100,000 to 200,000 iu of cholecalciferol every 3 months (and I could tell by the 2 1/2 month mark by my mood that I needed more). It can be made up by a compounding chemist with a prescription.

While I can’t tell whether low carb helped my alopecia, I can say for certain that it hasn’t had a negative impact on it. Also, my Vit D levels went from <20 to 70s.

I had a good friend at school who had alopecia totalis - she sometimes had short eyelashes but no other body hair whatsoever. Unfortunately we didn’t keep in touch afterwards so I don’t know whether she had other autoimmune issues :frowning:

(Justin Cain Hoffman ) #49

:joy::joy::joy:

(Saladman) #50

So many flaws and half truths in Cyrus’ talks… don’t know where to begin. Vegan animals rights propaganda at its finest. Watch this talk and learn the biochemistry that Cyrus clearly does not understand. Wonder what he learned at Berkeley earning a “nutritional biochemistry” PhD.

Dr. Ted Naiman - ‘Insulin Resistance’

The above video by Dr. Ted Naiman has a more detailed, more compelling biochemical explanation of insulin resistance, hyperglycemia, and hypertriglyceridemia. Start watching at ~19 minutes if you are pressed for time. A plant based diet that is very low fat does lead to fat loss and prevention of fat accumulation (b/c it is not available to accumuldate). BUT, a high fat, low carb diet ALSO leads to all the benefits that Cyrus mentions — anyone whose been on a keto or low carb diet (<50-75g/day) for a few weeks sees immediate results. However, Cyrus’ claims of long term harm of low carb are NOT evidence based! He sites no studies, just speaks in platitudes. Ignorant at best, deceptive at worst. His interpretation of the biochemistry is incorrect. Naiman nails it… Cyrus is a vegan animal rights guy. They don’t follow the science to its logical conclusion; their philosophy drives their interpretation… his explanation off “insulin resistance” is not an explanation at all! He never answers why. Naiman’s talk makes more sense, and explains biochemically (see Malonyl CoA) why both a very low carb, high fat diet and a very high carb, low fat diet are efficacious (“efficacious” is distinct from the term “effective”) for weight loss. We in this chat room prefer the low carb.

(Saladman) #51

I suffered thru 23 mins of pitiful half truths and aweful understanding of biochemistry as well as random conclusion from uncited sources and claims of all sorts of ills from long term ketogenic diet. Maddening how disingenuous and flawed this is. The devil is in the details. He glosses over the details w straw man arguments. I’m done listening to him and Greger and Barnard and the rest of them. I’ve lost respect for them as scientists. The JAMA article published this week demonstrates both diets are equally safe and effective (although this study is not truly high fat as average fat cal intake was 48% in high fat group and 30% in low fat group. It was not extreme enough. We need more studies.

(Saladman) #52

Here the abstract for the JAMA study

(Ethan) #53

We’ve established that this crap study does not show the effects of a low-fat diet vs. those of a low-carb diet. It shows what people will do when you give them one of the diets and then tell them after 2 months that they don’t need to adhere to it.