JanZC --- No Plants! Smaller Pants!


(Karen) #221

I always tell my butcher to hive me the fattiest cuts. That ribeye i ate early … bought from Lidl and spent an age rummaging through to get the best marbled piece. So much tastier. Love my brisket … always pivk that up from lidl cos it is a good price and again i search for the one with the most fat attached! The last piece slow cooked overnight was so flippin tender, the meat just fell away as i bit into it.

Your extension sounds humungus. I have a walk in larder/cupboard which is approx 8ft long by just over a doors width and i love it. My daughter moved in to her new house a week beofre xmas with a view yo it being a project. She is having a two storey extension to create a large main bedroom w/en-suite and downstairs to open up the kitchen and make it all ooen plan on that floor. I have no doubt they will make a beautiful job of it. She has stooped taking contraceptive and so is open to starting a family. She says if it happens it happens but isnt going to stress over it. Fortunately she lo es her job so is quite content at the moment.


(Karen) #222

Just cooked my chick ready for my tasty fry ups and enjoying some topside beef slices with gorganzola.


#223

oh boy your daughter is doing a ‘real renovation and improvement’…that is no smaller feat like my back room. I just punched out thru the back dining room window area and built a 24 x 40 open play room, his separate hunting room and stuck a big pantry in there…since kid is older and not using the ‘play room’ hardly I am now taking it over again…gonna paint and get my treadmill and recumbant bike etc and just make it my room basically…no one is using it heck I am gonna claim ownership now HAHA

your daughter has a big project but no doubt, with the right attention to it etc. I bet she ends up with the home of her dreams…that is great!

Your chicken looks great! winter time is a good time for oven roasters!

I just ate me a big NY strip steak, a tad early cause hubby is dragging me out to the hardware store right now for a few things we been wanting to check out…so away we go on a research trip…but then kid wants ‘japanese hibachi’ brought back for her so I thought I best eat now before I am wanting anything…wouldn’t eat it at all mind ya, but I don’t ‘wanna want it’ so eating and full belly…bring it on HAHA


(Karen) #224

Yes i think my daughter is hoping for a dream home. Their last home was a bit smaller so obviously she has been thinking children - more space required. They made the last one look tip top and it was sold within a week of going on the market! Out if the 9 views she had 9 offers all over the asking price! Thats my gal!

I think your idea of making your back room into YOUR room is great. Get in there with that CV equipment. Sounds a grand idea.

I like to have a big roast chicken cooked and sitting in the fridge for me to either fry or eat cold. Such a useful go to meat which will keep me going a few days. I don’t like the thought of having nothing to munch in the fridge because thats where i would lose the plot. I often get the munchies and of course this has got to be better than heading for the nuts drawer. Yes i still have leftover nuts from starting carnivore in november! However, not touched any since then which is amazing for me. I haven’t had any cream either, i was getting quite addicted to it on Keto whereas before keto i never bought the stuff! I would mix it with a bit of protein powder or my home made peanut butter … very addictive! Haven’t craved either on Carnivore Yay!


(Vic) #225

Dinner, heavy cream makes excellent sauce


#226

Oh I don’t mix the two, it’s just I have vague ideas about what you folks call even stew :slight_smile: I call the Hungarian type of stew “stew” as I don’t know any other (and probably a dense goulash is a stew too)… Stew is a very big percentage of stuff here. And not only meat stews. I ate stews all my life, very frequently.
But “hash” was something I met today, I only knew about hashbrowns before. And I looked at pictures and got some very vague idea but not more so thanks, this thread definitely helps to make me understand :slight_smile:
I didn’t know this type of food, it’s not only the word… I had some meat mixed with potatoes and peas as a kid but the meat was fried for this very dish… Or it’s fine, it’s just have to fried before the mixing?

Stew isn’t soupy here, it has little liquid (but it’s not very dry, it must be wet) :slight_smile: Hungarian stew is (I surely wrote that a few times before) fried onions, lots of paprika, a little water or other liquid and something else, meat or egg or mushroom or vegetable or whatever. Meat is the default one, of course so if it’s not meat, it must be included in the name (it’s optional for the meat stews). It’s probably possible to add multiple other items but still, one item is the major one, the others are more like “spice”. I don’t do that but many people love adding tomatoes and peppers to their meaty dishes for some reason, be it meat soup or stew. I never did that. But I can’t skip onions as it is mandatory for a stew here (not like rules ever stopped me but it’s really basic) though lots of paprika is even more important. And they are sweet but I will enjoy my stews until I can. My tolerance to sweetness in my meat dishes is changing and it never was great but I had no problems with stews.

Well, today was… A fail or not? Well I stayed keto even when things got miserable…
It was an overeating day, probably slightly but I have no way to guess the fattiness of meat (I cut off lots of skin and fatty parts, I will fry them tomorrow).
Stupid duck.

Well, I had nice plans. I had some eggs and some duck. More duck. Oh well, half the whole duck in the end when the limbs finished roasting (except I ate the bony back and left the breast for Alvaro. so it was the smaller half).
More eggs. Lots of dairy. And whatever I could. I even opened my last bag of cream (its expiration date is near anyway) so I had coffee too (I lasted 5 days, it’s good enough for now).
My elongated 3 hour meal felt starvation at some points.

I have a few possible factors to blame but not to that extent.
I am officially unable to get satiated by fowl meat. And I always eat not exactly lean parts…

It was an interesting “long meal”. My tracking is a bit vague but I tried so it can’t be very off.
700ml clear soup (Alvaro and I have some disagreement about how to make a good meat soup now but it’s nothing I can’t solve. I just can’t let him cooking soups for me anymore. he has some strange ideas about the ingredients and their amounts), 560g duck and 5g deli meat :D, 380g dairy (I don’t have cheese now so cream, sour cream and quark. only the last has any chance at satiation but I was desperate and anyway, I like cream), 5 pancakes and some more eggs…etc. Nothing I can’t put into me in 1 hour when this hungry but I had 3 for it so really no problem, I drank coffees too and felt pretty hungry almost all the time. Empty too.

And I have pork in my freezer, I just didn’t use it. It was a mistake. Even eggs would have helped but I did eat them to some extent…
I don’t plan to repeat this ever. Not even on a pure carnivore day after other pure carnivore days. Fowl never works. It was tasty, by the way and tender enough. It’s great as side dish for some more substantial meat. Not like this. But it was a whole duck and I ate pork in the previous days, I didn’t even made it as an experiment… I didn’t think it through.

Oh well. I am satiated now.
And I better get out some pork shoulders from the freezer. Alvaro obviously has plenty of duck left. Half a duck lasts for long for him. He ate half his hen for 4 days (including a meatless day. 18 meat eating days in row for him, at least. a quite impressive personal record since he went vegetarian 20 years ago for a while) and that was half the weight of this duck.

I used marinade on the duck limbs as I wrote before, to use up the little rendered fat from the hen. Completely unnecessary if you ask me and it’s my favorite spice mix. But this duck was/is quite tasty. Salt is enough. Not more than enough, I do needed the salt :slight_smile: For taste, I mean.

Satiation and my sticking to carnivore has a very very strong correlation. I don’t try hard anymore and it’s fine but I need some more effective meat. I didn’t even wanted to eat much dairy but I run out of options. And quark should be fine, it has protein… I never made tests about its satiation effect as it has too much sugar for its fat content, I can’t satiated with it but it should help according to its macros. But as we see with fowl, it doesn’t always work that way. Maybe dairy is not effective. Cheese doesn’t work even with zero lactose and much fat. But probably helps. I can’t test such things.

I think too much about it. I get pork and beef on Monday and use pork until then.
And I won’t buy whole birds often, too much work and their shape is bad for the freezer.
And I always will keep some smoked pork at hand. I actually have some bacon now but forgot. I don’t really like bacon, I prefer sausage and other smoked pork from the pig farm.

I ate duck liver and heart, I forgot to put the gizzard into the soup and it didn’t respond well to frying… Oh well, not my favorite part, fun but I didn’t mind giving it to the cats.
The liver was bitter, it’s odd. Not bile bitter (I was unlucky to met that not long ago. it was awful though I had more bitter medicine in my life), normally bitter, all by itself. I thought about giving it to the cats but I was hungry and didn’t focus on taste at that point.

I didn’t make a photo, I was hungry and forgot. But it was nothing special.

Stupid duck. Or forgetful me. The duck was its tasty fowl self, we are just not compatible for such a close relationship.


(Edith) #227

I haven’t read through all the posts since I was last on, so I don’t know if anyone replied to this, but my wee is extra stinky when I’m oxalate dumping.


#228

I second that. But different meats will also change the perfume. Roasted chicken, but not so much duck, does as well. With the oxalates, notable cloudiness as well.

In the background of this we need to recognise that malodorous urine and cloudy urine may also indicate a urinary tract infection. That can happen with the formation of calcium oxalate crystals into stones during an oxalate dump. So, if odour is accompanied with pain then Houston we have a problem - go to the doctor.

Postprandially (after a meal) carnivores will have an acidic urine. You will see the hippies get all excited about that because it helps their body alkalinisation beliefs. It’s only transient. But the benefits of a slightly acidic urine is that it does dissolve the more common crystals associated with urinary tract infections. Calcium oxalate is an exception. However, if you maintain good hydration, neither will be a problem. It’s easy to get dehydrated in winter.

The other thing that may cause urine odour, since we are in a ketogenic forum, is overflow of urinary ketones, in particular aceto-acetate. ZC carnivore is not necessarily a ketogenic diet, but when it is it is. And people genetically able to smell ketones will smell the aceto-acetate as a volatile, vaporised chemical from urine.

I haven’t read all the comments either. This has probably all been covered by @Fangs :smiley:

Finds this:


(Vic) #229

I drink more.

My wee is only very slightly yellow, its almost water color.

There is barley a smell to it.

When I dirnk less for some reason it quickly becomes dark yellow and more smelly.


#230

I have little idea about mine. My toilet has the type that I don’t see it (I only notice huge color changes like after eating beetroot but that isn’t realistic anymore), I smell nothing… Only that.
I never felt any change in my breath either and Alvaro says the same.

I always drink much. It’s known drinking little changes things for the worse, it’s inevitable but I don’t do that.


(Vic) #231

Pork and eggs for lunch


#232

top of the ZC morning to ya’ll

2 nice steaks
some taylor ham
some bacon
2 cookies…yes I caved and allowed it.

I am in a craving mood. Not good. I am flipping around in and out of craving crap. Yea – it got me right now. Eating well, not truly hungry which is helping me NOT go there in full misery :slight_smile: Talking myself down but right now, I am super surrounded by the family and the crap they eat and it ‘seems alot in my face’ ya know. Just enough – where I avoid this all the time, but it is my life with carby eaters, but now it is irking me :crazy_face:

Got my kid a Ninja Smoothie machine for Xmas and now she is making smoothies and darn if that banana she used didn’t smell SO good and good thing is I hate eating them, but smell triggers are getting me.
Then hubby has me buy ice cream and more cause he wants to use it for malted shakes and yes he is making them and slurping them down.

omg ya know. I just grabbed 2 cookies and woofed them down and seriously thought about digging into the entire package and saying screw it, but I talked my azz off that ledge. I don’t guilt over 2 cookies, but what that does for me is scare the hell out of me big time…scared as hell I ‘will go there’ and if I ‘go there’ it ain’t pretty and it is a binge. A real binge that will go down and then have to claw and scratch my way back on plan and I been there, done that and it is horrifying so I don’t wanna go thru that crap ever again so I am now digging in and waiting for ‘my calm eating life’ to come back…just in a craving it all crap mood dammit.

but I will eat and eat more. bacon is on my list again to eat a lb. if needed. I will be doing ‘full zc belly’ at all times for a few days. Only way I control me is thru zc food so I will do my normal fixes to get me thru my ‘mood’ time right now…and yea I am in a mood all around LOL the damn cold, the damn snow that came, the darn no outside fun stuff I love for summer, omg I wanna open my pool and swim swim swim and be at the beach. Yes I am ‘doing baby whining’ here folks. Yes I am! :wink: ok ok ok…stop the whine. get the mind back in its safe zc place. That amazes me at my age now, 59, I can whine so darn well! :roll_eyes: Even I hate when I whine :skull_and_crossbones: Gosh, get over it! :scream_cat: :sunglasses:

ugh…just saying truly some days just make ya nuts. but I see it for what it is…talking it out like this puts it into a way better perspective for me. Chatting to myself is great but sometimes I don’t wanna listen to me :smiling_imp: but when I type something out in a support thread like this, it makes it real…a real deal to literally deal with and conquer.

ok enough on that…eating big zc and eating well today.
thanks for listening to my rant. some days I gotta vent it out!


#233

I think it’s very difficult when you’re confronted with carbs. I recognise how fortunate I’ve been with the circumstances of the various lockdowns - in lots of ways, it’s been challenging being alone for 10+ months, but when it comes to food, there are no temptations to lead me astray.

A full ZC stomach sounds like a great idea. I was hungry this morning (I rarely eat in the morning - like 1 time out of 100) so I made a steak and 3 sausages. It was a bit too much food and it took some effort to eat the last part, but the thought of eating more now feels impossible, even if it was something I was craving. So it feels like a logical approach to me, and I hope it works for you.


#234

Thanks alot Septimius! Your post means alot cause it is how I roll too :slight_smile: I require big zc food to keep me from letting my ‘other mood issues’ from ramping up.

I wish I wasn’t one to put my moods/stress/blues onto my food as a focus, but yea that is me :slight_smile: I don’t take a sniper rifle to a tower ya know…I do food damage to me BUT THE big thing is what holds me where I am is I AM NOT a person that wants to voluntarily do harm to me so I get so damn frustrated sometimes. I do know me.

I bet your 10 mos in this lockdown is rough as can be for you! But you also have that less influence and food can be a good better focus for accomplishment on what you need vs. me using it as a trigger object to vent my frustrations.

OK tell me, 10 mos of lockdown is alot, how do you get it out? LOL What are you doing to help yourself thru the weirdo times we are living in? We all must have an out and since your food is a good focus, ya doing anything else to vent a bit? Just wondering, not wanna get too personal :wink: but curious on how we all handle crazy stress times in our lives.

So happy you are eating as your body is asking. Key for us zc people definitely! Appreciate your great support for me :kissing_heart:


(Karen) #235

@FrankoBear no pain , def not a urinary tract onfection … heavens! I jave had one once in my life which was almost debilitating, pain was excrutiating. I was about 16 at the time. Never want that again. I have had mild infections on the very rare occasion where i have had trouble weeing but this odour is just since starting keto in May. It eased off after a while but returned when i started Carnivore in November.


#236

I’ve been very fortunate in that my workplace enabled us to work from home, so I’ve been doing that since the end of March last year. I work fulltime, and we’re still pretty busy so that takes up a good portion of my time and keeps my brain occupied.

Up until the cold weather really set in, one of my mates would have a socially distanced visit outside with me once or twice a week - but it’s a bit too cold for that at the moment.

I am reasonably fortunate, I think - I’m mates with quite a wide group of people and I miss hanging out with them / going to the pub / staying over / doing things / going places etc - but I was also super invested in online communities when I was younger, so I’m happy to post on forums and chat through Discord etc. So I get a lot of social interaction through the internet, albeit not face-to-face.

I reckon the hardest thing is that you’re not really doing anything, so when you have a telephone conversation with people, there’s not as much to chit-chat about (you kind of have to choose a topic and go from there, rather than talk about what you did recently because you’re all not doing much)!

But yeah, it’s ok. I’m one of those people who doesn’t get bored - I’m more of a ‘there’s not enough hours in the day’ type of a person, so there’s plenty to keep me occupied.

I think the only thing that’s really odd is the complete lack of touch. And I reckon I need to do something to ramp my fitness up a bit - I’ve never been keen on cardio, but desperate times = desperate measures.


(Karen) #237

@Fangs your posts always lift me even when you’re ranting. You have a great way with words and i really enjoy reading what you have to say… even if it is a rant. We have all been there, needing to get something off our chest ! So you rant girl :slightly_smiling_face:

I can fully imagine what it must be like having a familys way of eating to contend with and work around. I am fortunate that i live alone now and loving it even in lockdown. I just don’t buy in things that will tempt me to sway from my woe. … just need to stop buying so much cheese! It really seems to be my go to when i am wanying to nibble on something.

Anyways keep your mind clear of those cookies in the best way you can. Xx


(Karen) #238

Got up this morning and hey presto beautiful sunshine. A flippin glorious day albeot bitterly cold.

Ran my 100 flights of stairs in sets of 20’s with todays CF workout in betwern the sets. It was a core blast which i quite enjoy. Then our CF team wwre set a challenge to take a selfie with certain objects/animals etc which was designed to get the teams outside and walking or running. Bit of a treasure hunt so to speak. Very easy for me and my daughter (also a member of the CF Box) as we had already planned a walk today as yesterdays planned walk didnt happen cos she was waiting for a parcel to be delivered.

We decided to meet up in the local town. She lives one side and i live the other so we met roughly midway between our houses. Walked for 2.5 hours/approx 7/8 miles very briskly arpund the cana (partly frozen) l and river and it was really lovely. Until we ended up fighting over my phone for the selfie with a green tractor!!! :tractor: nearly ended up in the mud and cow :poop::poop::poop: lol great fun and just what we needed.

Home to a nice hot cuppa
Butter sautèd chicken leg and thigh with added melted cheddar.
Was pretty peckish but not starving so only ate one thigh/leg and followed it with some
Mature blue stilton

Cod loin wrapped in bacon for later.

My note to self last night was to eat more fish. I like fish but never feel totally full with it so will eat with meat.


(Laurie) #239

@Fangs Remind yourself how hard it will be to claw your way out! Not worth it. And remember that whine pairs beautifully with beef. Good luck.

All these months, I haven’t been able to understand or sympathize with people who have found the pandemic lifestyle changes difficult. I’ve been content to stay away from everyone. But now, yeah, I’m getting bored. Oh well, there are still a million fabulous things I could be doing. (Not to mention various things I should be doing.) I’ll figure out something.

Thank you, @Karen18 , for talking about new twists on everyday activities.


#240

I had beautiful food with beautiful sunlight, Alvaro even held my favorite soup bowl (or whatever I want to use it for, its small size comes handy) and gave me tips*… But nope, it didn’t come out right. Oh well.
They looked perfect. And too fatty, yeah, what you expect from fried duck skin. Some contained some meat too, though.

*He said I shouldn’t use backlight here. Why, it’s FUN :smiley:

But it’s more informative otherwise so here we are…

I couldn’t resist so I had a snack, I was already hungry but this stuff has some insane satiating effect and I can’t eat too fatty things. I picked the ones with meat, added a tiny bit duck breast and fried pork… And now I am full for a while. Not for long, my hunger can’t be tricked easily. (The fact I ate so much yesterday helps, of course. I don’t expect I will eat really much today but it depends of the number and timing of my meals).

I got exactly half a pound of duck fat and these beauties. So… I didn’t actually ate almost half a duck yesterday, just meat wise as I had plenty of skin to fry today.

I think I will buy a whole duck now and then, after all. ALL pieces are perfectly crunchy, it’s amazing. Tasty too. I just need some meat with them.

And we have sunlight ALL DAY too. I walked too much yesterday so I only took a tiny walk and did this and that around the house. How can I make me start weightlifting again…? My arms aren’t in top shape and my press bench isn’t at its place as I redid the floor. I could do my fav arm exercises but when I tried, I was weak as a kitten and it did bad to my spirit. But I will resume my little training already :slight_smile:

Carby ice cream. Ew. That’s so not tempting to me :slight_smile: I figured out the Perfect Ice Cream (taste wise) in December… It has honey, obviously, all my perfect sweets has it as it’s so extremely tasty…
All my ice creams are so inferior compared to that… So I don’t eat ice cream for a long time now, no matter how useful it is when I am hungry and can’t stomach anything else (but I need to have pretty low supplies for that. and no pork, probably. I never let that happen).

[…]
Another small meal. This stuff is super effective :smiley: It’s great with meat but it puts my appetite into the negative very quickly.
But I had an egg pudding! I searched it in the OxtoberFest thread, now the recipe is in my most recent cooking notebook! Why i didn’t do that lately? It works when I don’t want the usual simple egg dishes… And it’s pudding. I like puddings.
It started with the cream. Whenever we have lots of cream (so I opened a bag or box… it’s 200-250ml of cream, how could I use it all up in mere days without being all crazy and not really hedonistic? :D) I ask Alvaro for help. So he makes his pudding. It’s obviously like all the other sweets of his, lots of starch mixed with some sugar. Eaten with more sugar or in the ideal case chocolate or cream. It’s good he stopped eating added sugar 10 years ago, I would worry for him.
But we run out of the specific starch so I decided to make some proper pudding for him.
He knows NOTHING like John Snow. He was surprised that normal pudding (not my pudding, every ancient pudding and even every modern pudding made the right way, at least here. maybe some folks far away have other traditions) contains EGGS. What else would they contain I wonder. Of course they have eggs. Just like ice cream, that starts with eggs too (for some reason, modern homemade ice cream is based on cream and eggs are often omitted. in the old famous traditional cookbook I have read as a kid, eggs were needed for ice cream. but pudding really demands it).
He was very scandalized when I told him my egg pudding has duck soup in it. Yeah, he has these preconceptions about a pudding being sweet, I wasn’t surprised. It was made for myself:

{I lost the CF card somewhere so no pic yet. But it’s egg pudding, nothing interesting, just a patterned stuff. Little duck pieces, little orange fat spots.}

But as I wanted a pudding to use up the leftover cream, I made such a thing too, with nice spices. And sweetener as he wouldn’t touch it otherwise.
Egg pudding is lovely.

{Another pic is missing featuring my sweet egg pudding with clove pieces and wrinkles. It seems it does that if I don’t eat it up right away. But it was mostly for Alvaro and he didn’t want to eat yet. }

Alvaro thinks it’s meh (well I am not a big fan either, I preferred the meat soup one. but I didn’t want a dessert at all) and he wants his starch mixed with sugar pudding back. I’ve read most of the puddings from my cookbook (1955) and all had many eggs. It just upset him… sigh
And he said he eats way too much animal protein (backslash of 18+ meaty days? we don’t eat more eggs than usual for sure). Hm. It’s not like I force him or keep him from eating all the plants he eats each and every day and it’s not little (the hundreds of grams of carbs per day must come from somewhere).
Oh well, more meat and eggs for me in the near future I guess. He probably will jump the cheese when we get some, he loves cheese.

It’s an easy day, fried duck skin and fatty pork ensure I don’t feel my food lacking.
And that’s good. It’s horrible when I am hungry and even meat can’t help because it’s not the right type - or I don’t want meat at all (but I can avoid that now I think. I never get bored of ALL type of meat at the same time)… It’s rare but quite annoying and tiring so I don’t want such a day every month! Once a year is acceptable I guess.

It’s after sunset now. The weather was perfect, nice clean air, sunshine… I was out little but it was nice.

I will have a third meal as well as I barely ate this far and I feel it’s not perfect satiation yet, just negative appetite due to the fatty stuff, no matter how totally enjoyable it was.
{In the end it was a few bites and 2 coffees only. I stop drinking coffee again, I run out of cream.}

Living alone… I can’t even imagine it anymore… It surely would help a bit with my woe (well, a lot. I simply wouldn’t have more carbs than some radishes or poppy seeds around me) but I am content with what I have now. It’s funnier and more challenging this way. And I like challenges. Even if I fail to some extent almost all the time. And I wouldn’t like to be alone, I liked that at some point but it’s in the past. Alvaro never lived alone, he’s younger than me and his workplace was in the same city as his Mom’s flat.

[…]
I am very satiated now. 0.3 pounds of meat for today (almost exclusively pork shoulders) but I ate fried skin too. A bit too fatty day so slight nausea.
I surely will be hungrier tomorrow.