I am quite the grazer and it dowsn’t make any difference if i have a small meal or a big one i will still graze on somerhing afterwards. I think maybe i just like the ‘taste’ of something or maybe it is just habit.
JanZC --- No Plants! Smaller Pants!
Ellacosew
#184
I like having one single meal that I am truly hungry for.
(But I am trying to eliminate as many optional decisions as possible in my life. Trying.)
Rclause
(Scott)
#186
3 MAD person here mostly because breakfast has bacon…and sausage…and eggs. It’s my favorite meal of the day.
islandlight
(Laurie)
#188
Yes! I no longer eat hot meals because of my living situation. But when I did, I got such pleasure from eating sausage and eggs (in the afternoon).
VirginiaEdie
(Edith)
#189
I used to wake up starving, but on carnivore that doesn’t happen. Now, I exercise first thing and then I’m hungry soon after. If I don’t exercise, I can almost make it until lunch for my first meal.
Shinita
#190
So I am not the only have who have problems with timing and numbers… Not big problems, it’s never that bad on carnivore but still. Of course my problems are different…
When I eat dinner, I am not really hungry but I need a big (for others) meal to avoid hunger afterwards. Or later I get hungry. Of course the tiny stuff on my plate wasn’t enough in the end (though one can never know on carnivore(-ish))… I added more pâte and much more turkey, then 3 slices of bacon (the 2nd time I ate sliced bacon. I only remember the first was tasteless. it wasn’t great either but it became CRISPY and lost enough fat so it wasn’t too fatty anymore. it was fun but I left the other 7 slices to wrap around things later) and an egg… And oh well, to be safer, a pancake later…
I probably will want to eat at midnight again but I try to be firm about it. I can’t be hungry.
OMAD would be ideal with my current state but how could I eat so very late? It doesn’t happen.
It would be fun to do the experiment with only eggs outside of my main meal but I am too much of a hedonist for that even in my egg adoring times like now. But I never can overeat eggs so that’s a valid idea. (Or if I can, I will have a new record.)
Sometimes I try small meals but nope, they aren’t for me. And the later I eat, the bigger my meal becomes. This is useful, actually, good for dinner OMAD. Too bad I am a bit hungry earlier and soft, tiny, barely hunger can be quite annoying too. Or I am too easily tempted…
I ate at 1pm and around 5pm today. And a pancake at half past 8 
I got the idea late (how can I NOT think of pancakes sometimes, I don’t understand) but it was very tempting.
Well I hope I will evolve. I don’t try anything hard now.
Every meal has whatever I want and have 
Eggs are perfect for lunch. Or dinner. Second dinner. Midnight snack. Travel food. Egg is bread, egg is dessert. And of course, side dish. (Dry) sausage is a must have for my egg sandwiches and the last course of any meal if I fancy something else. Fatty protein, tasty too, it’s just the perfect thing when my satiation is a tiny bit lacking (or not but my appetite is enthusiastic). A bite is satisfying and brings perfect satiation when it’s already near…
And I have NONE since… 1-2 days? I try to get some tomorrow… But it’s a village shop 
It would be bad if I had prejudices about when to eat eggs. I can’t eat in the morning, I was the same on high-carb too. I just didn’t go for a 20-40km hike without food. After fat adaptation, I did And ate a TON afterwards. Good days… I barely can walk 2 hours now (I could but it would be very tiring, not enjoyable) and it’s once or twice per week, the other days have tiny walks (about 4km), in bad weather even less.
I always wake up perfectly satiated. I love that. I can eat more than enough starting at 3-5pm too (mostly with more carbs. it’s possible with carnivore but I can avoid it), I don’t need morning hunger…
Tomorrow is 11km walk and duck day!
KellynP
(Kellyn )
#191
I guess I’m like that because I don’t like drama. I dealt with an alcoholic husband for many years where I had to walk on eggshells. Now I avoid conflict. It’s just who I am.
Fangs
#193
wow guys I am loving reading how everyone is changing and knowing themselves and bobbing and weaving as their appetites change and evolve.
that is the path ya know…the big journey that we stick thru.
I was omad, 2mad, 5mad, grazing all the time, to eating very little and I just walked thru all the evolution of it but always learning from it and truly finding what suits me.
very important for each one of us and by gosh everyone is truly on a self discovery path and doing so darn well with it!!
@KellynP , yea I am very direct, say what I mean and don’t take alot of crap but sometimes I also find it so much easier to back down and just let crap flow over me…but if ya gotta punch it out on someone then do it, heck ya can always say sorry after sometimes you do have to release it and I love what @Ellacosew said, she has to find a focus that takes the place of her food and social life with food…we ALL HAVE more life time ya know…we have to be engaged with our lives, we ain’t slaving over recipes that take alot of time in the kitchen, we eat well and move into our lives…our lives do need focus and purpose, hey, food handled that for alot of us, no more tho!
enjoyed reading all the posts!
But ya know what, I did a ‘baby shake’ of salt on my 1 lb. NY strip and damn guys, I missed my salt terribly. I was like…put on your darn big girl panties and stop friggin’ whining, like salt should be a darn ‘disaster’ in my life ya know…be grateful and stop the moaning and I did HAHA
yes I talk tough to me alot of times cause in the end, truth is truth…get over it ya know…I sure am not no youngster
watching salt intake very tightly now. will use a tad cause it ‘gives me control’ right now I feel I want and don’t wanna give up just yet, but I am walking towards a D day of salt be gone so…maybe by then I will have grown up all the way and accept it by them 
@Karen18, oh on your tea, be ready maybe for a weird taste change. I drank hot tea or cold unsweet tea and water for a good bit til one day I drank some tea and boom…my mouth, tongue went kinda numb, a weirdo sensation and I vowed immediately that I will dump it and boy I dumped it that minute and never drank tea ever again. When something goes off on us, boy it goes off…not knowing if this will be you at all, but man it got me. I assume I had eliminated so much, healed so well, eating so clean that the one time I drank cold tea again it was BAM, the body waking up and saying this crap will do this to you…so yea I dumped it and never gave it another thought. Just sayin’ might come down this way for u 2? just a little story on how it went for me on tea.
Karen18
(Karen)
#194
I do like my hot drinks especially tea. I drink a fair amount of water too though, a good 2.5 ltrs most days. But i have noticed that when i drink tea it makes me chomp on the inside of my mouth! I don,'t drink any coffee at all, gave it up a few years ago. I would love to just drink water. When i do my dancing when not in a pandemic i always drink soda water so between that and straight water , on a dance day i can get through 6 to 8 pints and more.
Shinita
#195
Tomorrow I get lots of carbonated water (3 liters), that will last for months and provides some variety. I never had problems with carbonated water, it’s fun.
Now that I skip coffee, I drink more water, it’s nice. Water is super nice when I exercise (even if just walk) too. I imagine I will be able to focus much more on clean water when the weather gets warmer.
I had super cold tap water in winter, it comes from our own well as we live “in the middle of nowhere”. I don’t mind much, I love cold water and can’t drink it even lukewarm, ew.
But I can handle carbs to some extent, even sugars, I am not very sensitive so some simple tea can’t harm me… I just don’t want to become like the people who barely drink proper water… Not like it would be a realistic thing, I surely am lazier than to make many liters of tea and coffee every day day… But I don’t like drinking only water and it sounds so strange… I have tasty, clean tap water at the right temperature, what is my problem? So I probably will train myself to bring up the percentage.
(I had better water once but this water is way tastier than the average Hungarian one and really not bad. There is a school in the village, I can’t drink that water. Or the one in the city. I truly can’t except maybe in extreme thirst. The water in my childhood was barely better, maybe that’s why I got used to flavored water - fortunately not sugary ones.)
I don’t know how the coffee came. It’s probably mental, the excessive coffee drinking, I mean because a coffee now and then was for the flavor. I know I didn’t drink coffee in the morning until maybe a few years ago? But then I drank it all the time. Rarely at night as it is my water drinking time, I drink liters, I
go down to the kitchen less frequently and me without water for hours, that’s serious. I feel so parched I need to drink a lot at once. I am a very thristy type, no idea why I usually barely drink until mid-afternoon. What is the logic in it? I wake up, no water since 8-10 hours… And I immediately drink, like, half a glass or less. And another half in the next hours. At night, one glass is absolutely nothing to me. 2,3 or 4 is better at once. I never figured out why. I am no morning person, okay, I understand I can’t eat until afternoon but I can’t comfortably go without water for a few hours except when I am sleeping or unconscious so why I am not really thirsty in the morning? I am really thirsty but for a few mouthfuls only. Odd.
KellynP
(Kellyn )
#196
Dinner tonight: quarter smoked chicken leg, and half a burger with BBQ hash, pork belly, and bacon on it. I didn’t eat the bun or tomato and lettuce as my husband took care of that. . The food was delicious 
This little gem of a BBQ restaurant we found today was amazing. We will be back. They serve brisket on Fridays. I’d love to have that.
KellynP
(Kellyn )
#197
I probably should be more direct but I will work on that after I have worked on my health.
Fangs
#199
hey I found this on the net ----- Since tea contains a high amount of tannins, your mouth feels dry after drinking it. Tannins bind to proteins on the tongue and cheek surfaces so they both feel dry. Tannins binds to other important nutrients like calcium and iron; if you drink lots of tea, see a nutritionist!
that must have been that weirdo feeling I was getting…a dry numby crazy feeling I almost could not explain…HUH, so I think this kinda is what I experienced, not sure, but interesting anyway LOL
a zc’ers dream, the perfect BBQ place.
we have tons around me since I live in the South, but not many are great ones ya know…that gem you mentioned! Enjoy that place, brisket is YUM
oh yea don’t worry about all that drama and mess, you will be fine thru it all, once you get more level and thru adaption then things even out. We are all a work in progress in some way right? I know I am
@FrankoBear
fainting looking at that, omg
FrankoBear
#200
I am grumpy right their with you Kelly. 
I am a misphonic, and that bass beat at night when I can’t hear the rest of the music is very irritating. Less so on the clean ZC plan, but noticeable on dirty carnivore. Misphonia is definitely a side effect of brain chemistry depletion or changes. So, hopefully it’s transitory. I hope it does not persist as you wrestle the plane back to a level heading.
These struggle stories are so important to these ZC challenge threads.
@KellynP. You are like water. You will find a way around or through. Carnivores seem to be bold. But your strength is in recognising weaknesses, and then being creative enough to find space for a work around. Only fight, if you are trapped. Well, they are my thoughts pertaining to my own approach, but I have borrowed your situation to help me think and write it out.
I hear you Karen. Ol’ Fangsy has set up a really dynamic thread that takes a bit of leisurely reading and digestion. I read and like a few posts, then keep edit adding on to my post to put in my 2 cents. The streaky bacon, one would think would solve the liver conundrum. I eat liver (or kidney) as pate or sausages. But that raises the risks of additives, fillers (usually potato starch in sausages) and incipients (e.g. chalk) as soon as things have ingredients and are combined (aka processed). But my butcher does make carnivore sausages with organ meats only. So, I get those when he makes a batch. The actual thing I wanted to say about liver is that we will have a natural propensity to only eat a small amount as it is packed with Vitamin A, and too much can be toxic. It goes for cod liver oil as well, best in small doses. It’s a body listen again. Small doses of liver work best, I think. Small, delicious doses of duck liver pate.
I was listening to Robb Wolf the biochemist of Paleo and Crossfit fame talking about butchering techniques. That the standard way is to bleed an animal and collect the blood. In the body the blood contains the most sodium (positive ion part of salt) and the muscle cells contain the potassium inside. When the animal dies, by bleeding it, a carnivore can get the sodium they need from the blood directly (like a Masai warrior drinking direct from their cattle’s jugular vein - not killing the beast), or from blood filled organs. The other key thing is that carnivore WOE people will always have enough potassium because the muscle meat is a reservoir. But, then there are other butchering methods, where the animal is not bled. The blood stays in the tissues. In that style of butchering, the potassium and sodium equilibrates across the cells as the sodium/ potassium active pumps stop working. That style of meat has a balanced ratio of sodium to potassium. It is a way for a carnivore eater to get their sodium, if they don’t add salt, from the muscle meat without needing organ meats or blood products. So, knowing how your meat is butchered, and if it has been bled, or not, can help direct meat choices.
Finally we got there. I knew that horse was on the menu in France and Belgium. I remember reading a news story about horses being rustled from Ireland and ending up in continental European Findus processed lasagne as the mince. they solved that mystery by DNA testing the food packets. Also read that when Christianity came to the vikings they stopped eating horse because of a Bible directive. But I don’t yet know why the Bible would say that (if it does). The Bible and religious traditions did contain and communicate some effective public health messages against diseases like Trichinosis. Do you eat horse very often Vic?
As it is Smaller Pants January, did those pants fit better?
What’s that? Down here in UpsyDown World, hash is something you smoke. Not like a brisket.