Insert obligatory I stopped losing weight post

(Janelle) #81

Just don’t answer. Let someone else take the mantle if it’s annoying you.

#82

@CatGirl I’ve seen some pretty heated debates here, and if everyone ran off when they got offended, there wouldn’t be anybody left.

These people who get offended and run off, I’m not so sure they wanted to be here in the first place. I believe they wanted something more like Facebook.

If you go back and read that exchange, starting with Char’s protein comment, it really wasn’t that confrontational. Only her response to leave was drastic. Nobody asked her to leave, only to do her research and read other’s replies.

I don’t want this to be a rude and intolerant forum, but people who come her for the first time, and make false claims without doing any research need to be called out.

The ketogenic diet is being bombarded with so many false claims that it’s important to correct this.

If this exchange seemed rude, the way I read it was Char made the first rude comment. I would have said something like “my bad, sorry” and gone on, but she had to follow that up with more rudeness.

Who really is to blame?

#83

Tbh, I almost left too.

(Doug) #84

Both sides can be at fault, but if people come in with too much attitude, or act passive-aggressive, etc., then they need to grow up.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #85

If you read my post to @ChMurr15, do you have any responses of your own to the questions I asked? How should we go about handling newcomers in a better manner? Should we simply point them to resources rather than answering questions directly?

The line above makes it sound as though you have some opinions. I for one, would be interested in reading them.

#86

Well, I’m glad you didn’t, because I really like your horse stories. :slight_smile:

#87

I’ve been on Internet forums since I was thirteen. If I ragequit every time someone’s tone came across as mean, I never would have survived. Not saying we should be mean to newbies, or that they’re being “too sensitive,” but it does feel like mountains are being made out of mole hills.

#88

Aw, thanks. I’m really trying not to be a bore, but the work with and training horses, and spending so much time facilitating and watching their healing taught me so much.

(Running from stupidity) #89

Me too! Although I stand by my assertion they’d be better as donkey trainer stories.

Also, horses aren’t as good as swans, IMHO, but they’re still good and noble creatures.

#90

I have no doubt!

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #91

Feel free to post about them in the Community forum any time you like. I’d love to hear about them. Unfortunately, I don’t have room for horses in my bedroom, so I keep rats instead. I suspect that the way you feel about horses and the way I feel about rats are pretty similar! :wink:

#92

It’s not about rage quitting. It’s about not feeling welcome, especially when you’re struggling with something really new that is contrary to what you’ve done before. And you see people mocking you. Nobody wants to, or needs to stick around for that. Life is so short.

And, yes, the search function here is great, but everyone is not a forum warrior. I know there are FAQs here that are helpful, but even then, it’s not straightforward. Things like the importance of the adaptation period are not really clear. That said, this is the first resource, particularly the podcasts, where I came to understand that. But I am a researcher and have extensive forum experience and I usually try not to communicate in frivolous ways.

I understand the frustration of people who have been here for a while getting sick of questions from people who have unrealistic expectations. But it is difficult to come into a new community and read and feel that strong undercurrent of annoyance.

I saw on another thread talk of a quiz or something on the basics. That’s probably not the answer, but maybe the FAQ could be tightened up and referenced. I remember in the 2kd podcasts talking about this forum that they wanted it to be a place where new people feel welcome and aren’t simply told to use the search button. There’s got to be a balance somewhere.

This kind of thing is not unusual in forums, but it’s definitely handled differently forum to forum.

(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #93

There are plenty of new posts asking similar questions that once I see that a few of the regulars have answered I simply don’t get involved in order not to be redundant. Plus, I get sick of listening to myself say the same things over and over. What if we all just took turns helping out. If we find ourselves annoyed or not feeling up to being supportive, skip that one. I just wait until I’m feeling it and jump on helping the next time.

#94

I just want to add this… And I don’t mean to sound negative. The posts that acknowledge they are asking the same question (most recently about how they are not losing enough weight) yet ask the question anyway. The answers are the same to the exact same question. I like to help out… But I don’t want to say the exact same thing to the exact same question over and over… So I have decided to just skip and not answer.

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #95

Thanks for explaining the MetLife elbow thing, and for being a calm voice in the noob question debate.

I honestly think @juice’s response was harsh. Understandable given @ChMurr15 admittedly didn’t read the thread, but harsh nonetheless. The misinformation Char spouted was very common misinformation that they could have come across while doing research.

@kandescent I am the one who suggested a quiz. I don’t know if it’s the answer either, but I do think it would be easier on newbies and oldies alike if there was a way to assure a certain base level of keto education before interacting. I don’t think it would have prevented this issue because I think gluconeogenesis is above that base level. But it may have prevented the very real fatigue that led to heightened emotions.

(Running from stupidity) #96

Sure, I’m not disputing the charge, officer :slight_smile:

I got triggered by the: "You idiots aren’t worth reading, so I won’t, BUT I AM, SO I’M SPENDING WHAT SHOULD BE READING TIME TYPING OUT MYTHS FOR YOU” thing. Which comes about from the whole “not-reading” bit.

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #97

I get it.

And Char’s response, even after they were shown the science, was disproportionate.

But even I was slightly taken aback.

(Running from stupidity) #98

yes I’m out of likes again. stupid software

#99

'Cause you know @juice is really a sweetheart :wink:

(Running from stupidity) #100

Errr, yes. Yes, that’s the reason!