Ilana's beef binge buster thread

(Katie) #167

That was my second guess. Does not surprise me :slight_smile:

(mole person) #168

@pamplemousse. Btw, your nickname happens to be my favorite word in any language. The sound of it has always made me giggle. I’m curious why you have it for a nickname? Are you French? Quebecois?

(Mame) #169

me too! Took the quiz years ago (and questioned every single question) LOL

(Edith) #170

People tend the crave the things to which they are allergic.

(mole person) #171

@VirginiaEdie This seems to fit me pretty exactly. I binge on nuts whenever I’m exposed to them and they seem to really hurt me.

My weight today was the same as yesterday but I was expecting a rise, to be honest. I’m eating my husband’s leftover chicken finally and non ruminant meat has an inflammatory effect on me. It’s not serious, but it’s why I mostly stick to beef and lamb in general. It will take another day or two for me to finish that chicken so no major scale move is expected for a couple of more days.

(mole person) #172

I’d like to add a post about beef fat.

Eating beef fat has marked a revelatory improvement in my keto/health journey. Standard keto made me much healthier then I had been on the SAD but didn’t cure any of my serious neurological pain ailments. When I went carnivore all of those cleared up but many of the things that improved so well on keto got much worse again. Things like brain fog, tiredness, mood improvements, achy knees, skin conditions, and peckish hunger all came back.

The reason was obvious. My measured ketones were much lower. So I started trying hard to increase my meat fats. Initially I just started preferencially buying only the fattiest cuts, but the more meat fat I ate the more my body wanted even more.

Anyhow, I finally started asking all of my town’s butchers about buying just the fat. They were all willing to sell it to me, but one of them refused any payment for what they said was just a waste item.

So now I get what amounts to about 1/3-1/2 of my daily calories for absolutely nothing. The cost savings are so crazy that I can afford rib eye daily if I like now in spite of being on a fairly tight budget.

Now obviously I got lucky. But for others interested in eating fat it’s very worth asking. You may not get it free but I bet in most towns there will be someone selling it with glee for very little, since selling it for little is better than getting nothing.

Leaky Gut test and the impact of PKD (By dr. Boz.)
(Full Metal KETO AF) #173

I have heard this about foods that cause inflammation. It triggers endorphins I think and your brain will tell you to eat it for the endorphin fix. So you become addicted to the offending food endorphin release cycles. :cowboy_hat_face:

(Katie) #174

No I am American, but I was going through a La Croix phase when I created my account and I had the grapefruit in front of me :slight_smile:

(mole person) #175

I finished the chicken last night and im glad it’s gone because I didn’t really enjoy it. I’m so happy to get back to my beef and fat it’s actually a bit funny. I’m super excited about my lunch today…lol.

I’m surprised that I lost some weight. Between the chicken and doing some exercise yesterday I expected a pause. But I was 104.8 lbs today.

I’m getting close to my goal and my cold is almost completely gone so I will be loosening the reins a bit soon. I bought a big fatty pork shoulder and I’d like to eat a bit of it. Still, I don’t need to cook it for at least two more days.

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(Full Metal KETO AF) #176

If your goal is 104 that .8 lbs could mean you drank a glass of water or need to go to the bathroom. Isn’t it completely normal for weight to fluctuate 1-2 lbs even when maintaining your weight? It’s kind of impossible not to have some fluctuations considering digestion and hydration isn’t it? Sometimes I think you’re too hard on yourself about holding that 104 everyday. I bounce around a 3 lbs range all week and never have the same weight two days in a row but I am not gaining and I’m maintaining a 32” waist bouncing between 146-149 lbs. :cowboy_hat_face:

(Susan) #177

I think that David has a good point that .8 of a pound is not really significant and that you are too hard on yourself. I am sure that you look amazing =).

(mole person) #178

I don’t try to stick to 104 every day. But when I go off plan I always make myself get back to that number before I stop the binge buster. It’s just an accountability thing. Also, it’s no hardship. I love my beef and never calorie restrict. If it’s water weight than I’ll see 104 lbs within two days.

(mole person) #179

Really impressive. That’s close in size to my husband. I like a lean look on a man. :yum:

(mole person) #180

Free fat in America too! :hugs:

(Kristen Ann) #181

Hi Ilana, I don’t have time to read through your entire thread… is your beef buster protocol just eating fatty beef? Are you eating a certain p:f ratio? Adding beef lard? I’m going back to keto on at the end of November after being off for like 45 days or so. I’m already starting to plan what I need to do to nip cravings in the bud and get back into ketosis quickly. I want to stock my freezer for when I get back from my trip. I doubt I’ll be able to fast because I’m purposely eating sugar every day to trigger some symptoms. I think your beef protocol might be a good way to go for the few days back. Especially if it involves ribeyes, because I realllly miss ribeyes! :persevere:

Thanks for your help!

(mole person) #182

@kaclp Ribeyes are a favorite on this protocol.

I only eat beef, salt, and water on this protocol (and one cup of black coffee). Beef absolutely includes beef fat though. I don’t tend to use tallow (beef “lard”) because too much liquid fats nauseates me. I prefer to just cook beef fat that I get from my butcher along with my meats. How much I add depends on how fatty the cut is. The very fattiest ribeyes are perfect on their own, but mostly I find that I add fat to them. I also make bone broth and have it daily.

I keep a very high fat to protein ratio by weight. 2 grams of fat for every protein gram. This, for me is vital. I’m barely in ketosis on carnivore if I’m eating a lot of protein and when I’m not in ketosis a lot of my NSVs go out the window. I also get hungrier and lose my grip on weight control.

I keep my protein around 60 grams these days but don’t sweat it if I hit up to 80 on occasion. More than that and I’ll suffer immediately.

That’s the point of it. No fasting. It’s essentially a beef fast. You eat only what you actually need because it’s just meat and salt and as good as that can be when you’re hungry there is a hard stop on appetite for it. I’m not even really doing IF. I wake pretty early, around 5am and usually have my first meal by 8:30 am. I eat to satiety and have no compulsion for more until 5 pm.

What are you trying to trigger?

(Kristen Ann) #183

Thanks for the protocol. I book-marked your slow cooking method for beef fat you posted a while ago and plan to try that. I didn’t realize the fat:protein ratio was weight. Good to know. I try to keep my protein moderate too because it’s the only way I can lose weight. I’m conviced when I eat more than 40 grams of protein a meal I have an insulin response.

I’m trying to trigger my vascular and autoimmune symptoms because I’m going to the Mayo Clinic in 2 weeks. I’ve been off keto since Oct 4th trying to undo the healing keto has done:

https://www.ketogenicforums.com/t/reversing-the-good-keto-has-done-nitric-oxide-endothelial-dysfunction/93895

(Mazzy ) #184

So interesting! I totally get that too! I hadn’t attributed it to dairy, but I’ve just realised that since I have cut out dairy they have gone!

I’ve also noticed something similar gets hold of me food-wise when I’m around close family. I wonder if there’s something going on that has its roots in childhood sibling rivalry over food (some kind of evolutionary/genetic disposition to ensure your genes get more resources than your sibling’s)?

(mole person) #185

I lean towards a strong evolutionary pressure involving the sharing of food. We are a social species that bond and care for our young for absolutely ever. I think there is probably a deeply seated instinct to prepare foods for each other and eat together and it’s not properly satisfied when we fly solo with our own diet.

(Diana) #186

You helped me with my last stall which worked great (eliminating dairy) but I’m now in the final stretch and can’t seem to budge past the 110 mark. I’m trying to lose the last inch of stubborn thigh fat. I’ve read through the thread and I can’t commit to full on carnivore. I’m a foodie and love veggies, plus I fear my weekend drinks would not be compliant anyway (I generally have about 2 drinks on Saturday and Sunday). I guess my confusion comes into play here, since my goal is to lean out, should I not be eating leaner proteins to force my body to use its stored fat? I know this thread was focused on carnivore and that seemed to work well even consuming higher fats, but what would your recommendation be for standard keto? Lower fat protein? Cut calories further (currently at 1200 and doing omad 5 times a week). I feel my pitfalls are similar to others, I do really well all week but then go over on calories on the weekends (albeit all keto food), I just consume more food as I’m with friends and make a keto treat (usually mug brownie). How do I get over this hump to force my body again to use its stored fat?