I’m FURIOUS! Class Action Lawsuit? Attorneys, please weigh in

(Doug) #61

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Saint Brenda (by George…)?

(Mike Glasbrener) #62

*/Snark On

Kill ‘em all! Let’s not forget Key’s role! He delivered the recommendations to McGovern. Let’s round up the sugar execs to! What about the soft drink execs and the cereal execs with their tv shows marketing sugary breakfast cereals to kids?..

Snark Off*/

I’d be happy with sound acknowledged science about diet. It’s very clear sugar is just down right unhealthy! It’s a drug! Many people poorly tolerate refined grains. Fruit and veggies? It depends, n=1 studies are required. It’d be great if doctors would be skilled and help patients with n=1 experimentation… Also, get the gov’t the hell out of the business. Kill sugar tariffs, farm subsidies etc…

(Doug) #63

Right on, Mike.

Agreed too on fruits and vegetables - lots of personal variation, and I think many people would be better off, there, than after they get metabolically compromised by the effects of so many refined carbohydrates.

Also, on this forum just recently people have been discussing the difference between eating the whole fruit versus drinking the juice.

Years back, a cool autumn day - I’d set a jug of apple cider out on the back steps. Working away, getting thirsty, ah the cool sweetness. Drink the entire gallon, 460 grams net carbohydrates from that alone. :neutral_face:

It would be a different thing to eat 1/3 of a bushel or ~7 kg of apples. :smile:

(Mike Glasbrener) #64

After reading tubes book “Why we get fat” I was done with juice… It’s just another scheme to sell sugar and excess fruit by calling it healthy. I abhor the more recent claims this crap pomwonderful claims. Pomogranete juice. It’s just another fucking sugar bomb being marketed as healthy. This crap has to stop. It’s clearly not for most if not all of their customers!

(Aimee Moisa) #65

I’m super pissed and all I’ve read of The Obesity Code is Noakes’ forward. I’m not anticipating any real pleasure reading on just fuming anger.

(karen) #66

… on one hand I don’t think you’d ever win a lawsuit against AMA, ADA, AHA or any other A*A, and it’s not reasonable to expect McGovern’s heirs to pay, any more than it would be reasonable to expect you to pay for some mistake your grandfather made. It doesn’t matter if he was rich, it’s still not reasonable.

However, bringing a lawsuit against A*A’s might, finally, force issues into the light and create an environment where they would be willing to drop some bs in favor of evidence based medicine. It’s all about the money, and making the status quo more expensive than a new common sense protocol may be the only viable way to effect change.

(Aimee Moisa) #67

I have only two more things to say about this subject.

#1 - the experiment is over and someone has to pay for all the needless deaths, injury, and misery caused by politics and greed.

#2 - I want an apology from all the people, friends especially, who ate exactly what I ate but didn’t have the misfortune of getting fat and told me that I had to stop eating so much and treated me like a sloth because I was fat and they weren’t, even though they were doing the same things and eating the same things as I was

(Sarah Slancauskas) #68

Thanks for posting these links about the APOE4 genes. I have them and am trying to get as much information as I can.

(Kate ) #70

I’m right in the middle of it, and holy hell, you are correct: RAGE.

(KetoQ) #71

School lunches are based on what is profitable for the food vendors to serve. Yes, there are “healthier” choices, but I think they are purposely made less appetizing so the kiddies get in the other line to buy things like sodas, chips and pizza.

Plus, it’s amazing how many of these jr and sr high kids drink coffee. I didn’t start drinking it until my senior year of college.

#72

I am not sure coffee is any worse than soda and may be better depending on how it is processed.

I do not believe it is intentional. Simply that when given a choice between pizza and whole wheat sprouts most kids will choose pizza.

The point is the guidelines are screwed up to begin with. When you say what is healthy about a hamburger, most people would say the bun if whole wheat is okay when in fact whole wheat is usually bs and the meat is the healthy part, especially if organic grass fed. So the guidelines are simply wrong. They translate to bad guidelines for hospitals and schools, where kids are told to eat the whole wheat and skip the hamburger

(Linda) #73

No, we are following them. Permit me to suggest you check out Nina Teicholz who has researched this exact point.

EDITED TO ADD: I think I might have misinterpreted your post. When you say “We” you mean the folks on this forum? I thought you meant “We” as in the people in general.

Even so it’s pretty sad to expect everyone to just ignore their doctor’s advice when it sucks. I don’t think many people are up for that.

nina-teicholz-29

(Eileen ) #74

I feel your pain and frustration! Both my parents would have lived longer if they weren’t following their doctors advice - low fat, statins, etc.
I’m not sure there is anything we can do now but work hard and make sure this garbage advice is corrected!

#75

Them’s the breaks Linda. I doubt the plaintiffs will have a leg to stand on if this ever goes to court. But I suppose it doesn’t hurt to try.

(Linda) #76

My post not to say that I think any kind of lawsuit has a snowball’s chance in Hades. Perhaps it should, but it wouldn’t.

(J) #77

I feel your frustration too. I received my healthcare education at an Ivy League institution where reading evidence critically was the #1 in the teaching of evidence-based medicine. So, I presumed when we were learning about nutrition and public health, the ‘evidence’ we were being taught about had been just as critically vetted. I’ve known for years that low-fat eating was not healthy, because so many of the systems in our bodies require fat-soluble nutrients to function, but the extent to which this misinformation is being taught is mind blowing.

PS- I am not a fan of the lawsuit idea, but totally understand your anger.

(Keto Victory) #78

Fastening liability on people and organizations for their roles in promoting unsafe behavior is really difficult.

But the Round-Up litigation is getting a lot more traction that most experts would have predicted even a few years ago, and even “pointless” litigation that’s on the moral high ground can be an effective PR vehicle…

(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #79

I agree. We grew up very poor when my mother couldn’t afford meat and Dad got most of it, before the internet when books were touting low fat and my mother was cutting off and tossing skin and fat from the baked chicken breasts we had every single night along with veg and grains. She did her best and did pretty well in spite of poverty. Currently it’s cheaper to buy junk food than healthy food and a box of pasta and jar of sauce will feed your family much cheaper than meat and fresh produce.

It’s unfair to blame those without access, money, education or resources. People do what they know and are taught. The information is systemically taught to docs, in schools and by the gov.

(Bob M) #80

Is there a randomized controlled trial of APOE4 people showing that people who went on the diet espoused in those articles experienced less overall death rates? If not, could this cause more deaths than it prevents?

Remember: Looking at intermediary results (less saturated fat = lower cholesterol) is how we got here. Looking at LDL or TC or any other intermediate marker is the same.

(Bob M) #81

I don’t think you could sue any one entity, as everyone believed it to be true. I remember reading Muscle Builder (afterwards, Muscle and Fitness), and everyone was on the low fat bandwagon. The government has a large blame on it, but so does Pritikin,Harvard School of Epidemiology, WHO, Diet for a Small Planet, PETA, AHA, vegans who believe cow farts cause global warming, etc.