How do poor people do carnivore?

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(Laurie) #61

That’s what I did. I researched online and found a boom-town-gone-bust where apartment rents are a fraction of what they are elsewhere. (The apartments are well maintained, and the town has everything I need.)

However, I think the OP is on disability/welfare. Such benefits are usually location specific; you lose them if you move away, and then you’re not eligible in the new place because you haven’t lived there long enough.

There are ways though. Moving elsewhere within the same city or state might be an option.

(Edith) #62

I’m thinking the OP is no longer posting to the forum.

(Polly) #63

You may be right @VirginiaEdie.

#64

Just as a final update, I’ve concluded that carnivore is not within my current financial means and have decided that it’s not a reasonable lifestyle to pursue at the moment. I will most likely try and spend the next several years maybe trying to obtain a better career, but my options are fairly limited so I’m not sure if I’ll ever make enough income to be able to do carnivore. My body seems to respond more negatively to plants than to carbs, so I believe my most viable option as of right now is just the SAD with mostly carbs. Many third-world countries seem to do just fine with that sort of diet so I will try to adapt and push through the pain and hopefully it will work out. Thanks for the suggestions nonetheless everyone, this seems like a really nice community to be a part of which I regrettably won’t be able to participate in :pensive:

(Jane) #65

I wish you the best and hope things look up for you in the future.

If I couldn’t afford meat and cheese and plants bothered me I would do what you are doing. Try to keep the carbs as close to real food as possible and minimize the seed oils. That may be tough since seed oils are the cheapest (for a reason) but maybe you can find the cheapest generic butter and make it stretch.

(Edith) #66

I hope you will be able to apply some of the ideas provided. I just wanted to add one last thought: for years I thought I had trouble eating tomatoes and anything made with tomatoes. It turns out the problem was actually gluten. When I stopped eating gluten, I could eat tomatoes every day if I wanted without any trouble. And all kinds of strange little problems that I thought “that’s just how it is” because my parents had similar troubles, so it must be genetic, went away. Turns out I didn’t have to live with all of those little problems.

Now I know that gluten makes the gut lining permeable allowing us to react to all kinds of food. I think dropping the gluten allowed my digestive tract to heal so it was no longer permeable. Maybe your ill health could be something as simple as that?

Good luck. :slight_smile:

(Laurie) #67

Best wishes, @crownsnake.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #68

For what it’s worth, my first foray into keto lasted only 2 years. It wasn’t carnivore but included lots of meat and probably lots of not very smart shopping. I could not sustain it so quit - and I was not poor. I just did not want to spend so much money on food. I’m doing keto a lot smarter this time.

#69

Or whatever animal fat is cheapest…?
I just looked up seed oils here, whoa, it seems they got expensive… Sunflower seed oil (the norm here) is almost as expensive as coconut oil (well, both are cheap), lard is between them and the cheapest butter is 2-3 times as expensive as coconut oil. I can’t afford butter but I can afford carnivore just fine. I just can’t use ruminants, seafood and butter as a staple.

How is it in the US I wonder…

Even if one can’t do carnivore and even keto, one may do low-carb but even high-carb diets aren’t the same, obviously. My SO isn’t like me, he is thriving on high-carb - but his high-carb isn’t like the typical one, he doesn’t eat sugar, for example. This change is super easy to do (except tiny amounts in certain products. I find that pretty easy too but that’s not my point, it’s about eating sugar galore now) and surely helps much.
It’s useful to figure out which carbs are the best candidates to minimize or skip. I would eat legumes before grains, grains before sugars… Though I eat sugars anyway (my own fruit) but amounts matter a lot to me. I use close to zero added fat so the price of oil/fat doesn’t affect me much. But I eat fatty meat and eggs so it’s easy for me…

Maybe fasting could mitigate some carb problems? I know that if I eat more carbs, I am way better with one meal than eating all day and it makes perfect sense. Of course not everyone can do this but maybe 3 closer meals are better than 3-5 spread out? Just if it feels right, of course.

I still think I am too poor to waste money on vegetables :smiley: Those things are expensive (usually)! (Even carbier plants as they make me hungry. It’s so easy for me, again.) But I can afford some fatty meat.

#70

See the app called Flipp and the website called Crazy Coupon Lady. Some people make a hobby out of pursuing sales and coupons and end up with lots of cheap or free food.

(Carnivore for the win) #71

I grew up in a rural area, where a lot of people were quite poor. People would trade goods and services for other goods and services they couldn’t afford. There were milk co-ops. Neighbors would buy on a small steer and raise him up to be a bunch of beef for each family. Folks would fish and collect seafood on the beach. They would teach music or art, and clean houses or wash windows, for food, home made soap, horse riding lessons, or a second hand bike to get around.

We have lost that as a society, for the most part. This was not very long ago. Today’s world is much more expensive, but it doesn’t have to be. Farmers always need help, and not just labour. Their kids need French lessons, or babysitting. If anyone has a skill, put a sign up at your local community centre, hardware store, or co-op. You don’t have to pay money for everything, and the return on your skills and labour, can be worth much more than the money you would earn for it at a paid job.

#72

@crownsnake
I hear you. Just go as meat heavy as you can at all times. then just corral those damn carbs as best you can. If you put a focus on a general low carb menu any darn way you can you will still be in a better than mode then just eating crap for the sake of only eating crap and I KNOW you get this :slight_smile: wishing you the best

But I want to send apologies to you also.

I thought it was $50 per week til I read some other later posts where someone said $50 per month is rough stuff and I thought…per month?

what I said to you was thinking per week but if it is per month, NO I do not think anyone can do carnivore on $50 per month unless you are farmer with livestock or live in such a rural area with a location where this ‘might be even’ feasible or what Elliot just said that you are part of a community that shares meat, like in cold climate communities, the younger go hunt and give meat to the elders but these are big exceptions that won’t apply to you.

Carnivores require at least 1.5 to 2 lbs per day to feed the body all the vits/minerals/pure nourishment to the body each day (and yes some thru physique etc can require a tad less but this is more rare than norm) and if one can’t do that then…

and quality of food. Eggs only with chicken one can’t usually do it. This combo won’t give the vits/minerals/density/nutrients etc one requires for long term use of this eating plan.

Like here being rural country we had a sale on pork butts. .99/lb and you can figure one 'can live on a $1 per lb meat but if that is not available and beef will never be that, chicken could easily be that in your area maybe too? but if you don’t have heavy hitter like pork even at least, no this can’t be done.

So I am sending best vibes to just do the best darn shopping you can for heavy on ANY and all meat proteins you can get your paws on and limit those carbs best ya can til things change, we can always learn a ton and ever so slowly walk directly toward what we want in baby steps :slight_smile: Nothing is ever ALL lost for you at all

(Bob M) #73

A different local store has chicken breasts and pork tenderloin for $2/pound. Both of these are lean, but if you need more fat, maybe sour cream or cream cheese or whatever is on sale?

Also, we never discussed how to make some of this more palatable. For lean chicken and pork (or turkey, if it’s on sale), brining in salt is always good and shouldn’t add too much to the cost.

If you can find reasonably priced butter, adding butter to these ups the taste and fat content.

(Robin) #74

Feel free to stay with us. We’ll still be nice to you even if you have to abandon keto.

(Bob M) #75

And actually, these aren’t bad ideas for anyone. I’ve been trying to buy things on sale lately, and for a while. That’s one reason I eat so much top round or other “round” roasts: they are always on sale.

I’ll also eat ham when on sale. (Gotta watch the carbs with these, though.)

And I’ve been freezing them.

For instance, Costco just had pork loin on sale. I got a HUGE pork loin, cut it in three 2.x pound pieces, put in the freezer in bags for the sous vide.

My store had pork chops for sale a while back, and I did the same.

So, now we have dinner made as long as someone is home early enough to put these in the sous vide.

#76

If it is possible for you, walking is relatively cheap and can greatly improve your health, both physically and psychologically.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #77

It guess it would depend on where in New York the OP lives.

Manhattan is great for walking in. A great walk is to start at Fort Tryon Park and walk down to the Battery (or vice versa), or to make a few circuits of Central Park, or to explore Riverside Park from say, Grant’s Tomb down to the Boat Basin, but I don’t know enough about the other boroughs to be able to recommend places.

(Tim Cee) #78

Lean carnivore doesn’t satisfy—rabbit starvation. It has to include some fat. If you are ravenous on carnivore, get more animal fat.

(Traci Simpson) #79

Kelly Hogan. She lost over 100 pounds eating beef and drinking water. I sometimes eat McDonalds patties when I’m on the road or don’t have anything prepared at home.

#80

ok just a note

your personal time frame on carnivore will dictate your fat intake

I am into year 5 and I am leaning more towards lean meats----til that day I require BIG fat intake--------------but new people usually require alot of good fatty meats which is why beef----meat/fat ration in that meat like a ribeye or such means our meat fat ratio is handled

but we change. physically change. so I might for a few days want totally lean meat cause my body is healed up way more than a new person…so remember this is a great concept for newer or people needing longer healing times, and yes this could be years into this plan…but at some point longer term carnivores are in a whole new realm of health and healing a new person is not at.

So yes rabbit starvation is a real thing and without decent fat in our lives thru our carnivore meals we can suffer easily but most times, this will never happen. If we eat exactly what our bodies are asking for and thru time we do change up and with what we require on any given day for our meat/fat ration intake.

OK THIS truly is just some carnivore chat and what we have to think about who is new and needs alot of healing and change and who is way longer into this plan and requires a different ratio in their meals cause their body is telling them just that.

Just chat about the plan :slight_smile: