I agree
And there is fasting. Keto never helped me to lose any fat, I need extra rules⦠But first I had to have carby keto times as I couldnāt do it any stricter. But eventually I made changes and they gave me lots of benefits (not fat-loss related ones but I am pretty sure they will follow this time). Of course, everyone is different and while going lower-carb, stricter is the way for many of us, others find a different wayā¦
50g carbs - net or total? 50g net is too much for most of us, big, muscular, active ones have better chances⦠But there is a big individual factor even with the same stats. I could do 40g net and unlimited total (I surely had over 100g carbs plenty of times) and got fat adapted in 7 weeks just fine. 6-8 weeks for fat adaptation is pretty normal.
Hunger isnāt. Eat more, obviously. Figure out what you need, just calories, fat or protein. I am unable to get satiated without high protein (except when itās super low and I almost just eat fat, itās not sustainable but useful to have such occasional days, for me I mean) so I eat high protein. Others like high-fat adequate protein better (though I suppose if my body wants high protein, that is my adequate even if itās above 2g/kg for lean body mass). So if eating a ton of fat doesnāt help (or you canāt or donāt want to do it), definitely try more protein. Unless itās already super high or something.
But satiation is a complex thing. Itās not just about macros. Some items donāt work well for satiation, at least for many of us. For example, ruminant meat tends to be very satiating while chicken⦠Not so much. (Not at all for me unless itās paired with red meat or if itās just a quick meal and another, better one will soon follow.) But itās very individual. Nuts and cheese can have a low satiation level too and nuts can even triggering so you can overeat and stay hungry if you choose your food items really unwell. So experiment with your items but until you figure it out, just eat more when hungry. Itās so obvious to me, hunger always urges me to eat, macros be darned⦠I handle the emergency and experiment and think about what to do differently later. Itās almost always my food choices but timing has some importance too.
Carbs can be very satiating too, by the way, my SO has this. I donāt. Carbs always made me hungry short term (but gave me very good satiation longer term. the massive overeating and the very high fat that I couldnāt avoid when eating higher-carbs probably had a hand in it). So itās individual. My SO eats a decent sized mostly carb breakfast and it satiates him for 8-10 hours (while he is doing his light physical work and 12km cycling/running). I would feel starving right afterwards
(If I could eat that early.)
So, try out different styles if the first doesnāt work. Donāt force it, maybe you can go stricter later. But if itās hard and you are hungry, maybe you should make it less strict but rather, different as you canāt just add even more carbs and expect keto.
I never measured my ketones, I donāt care about it. I listen to the feedback of my body but after many years, I already know what it likes anyway. My actual carb macro doesnāt even matter as long as I eat my right food so my plant carbs are minimal. High protein and enough fat but the latter varies, I eat more if I am still hungry, the right items I have found good and satiating for me. We arenāt robots, our needs vary every day so even if we track our macros, itās unnatural to try to squeeze them into tiny ranges. If you are hungry and ends up eating much more on some day, so be it. If it causes problems, you should tweak something though.
Oh, by the way, hunger⦠I suppose itās individual too but for me, fat adaptation changed my hunger for the better. It got way softer. Even off keto, as long as I am fat adapted, my hunger isnāt as bad as it was sometimes before. But my carb intake has a big effect on it too (and on other things), yes, at least plant carbs. Fat adaptation and very low carb, that is a good combo for me. And as years passed and I made changes, it got even better. In the beginning, I still had strong, annoying hunger, it just wasnāt that attention seeking (demanding. inevitably getting⦠oh it was bad) sudden sharp stab I sometimes got on high-carb. It was nicer but still not something where I could say no. But now I usually have a subtle cute polite thing, just a warning that I may want to eat in the next few hours if itās convenient for me⦠Itās glorious, I am so free. If there are exceptions, they are rare.
But you are in the beginning. I was so hungry on keto before fat adaptation if I went below my usual food amount⦠So I didnāt. I ate just as much as before and I maintained just like before. It was getting used to keto, making new recipes⦠I canāt handle my old hunger anyway but as a newbie ketoer? I really didnāt need extra hardships even if keto wasnāt really hard. Still different, still some holding back, missing my usual amount of vegs⦠But I ate tasty food in big enough quantities so I was satiated and pretty much okay. And got fat adaptation as a reward, I appreciated it greatly.
So⦠I think you should eat nice keto food, maybe trying to eat less carby ones⦠Itās not hard to eat a very delicious, satiating meat that contains almost no carbs, it may make your day planning way easier. I have my carby extras I like to have under some circumstances (we have a very serious multi fruit season nowā¦) but if my normal food barely has any carbs, itās way easier to keep it keto. Even if you need your plants (many do, itās fine), itās useful if you can have a big nice dish with very little carbs. But it is highly useful if your desires merely include carby items but you are fine with tiny amounts. I had only 1-2g for my daily fruits on vegetarian keto (and I used all the tricks I could) and it worked very well, I still ate (frozen) banana (covered with chocolate) nearly every day
I needed it, not physically but for some other reason, to feel not too restricted. Sometimes we may need to do these little games, extra joys, feeling of freedom⦠Whatever works. Not everyone can be happy with meat and vegs or something like that right away or ever.
Good luck!
Can you tell me your macros? And your usual food items? I am curious.