@Karen18 ya know that is a great idea for my mind meld with surprises and a plan…when surprised and irked…think the worst, I got surprised with snakes on a plate hissing and covered in filth or maggots…you know you hit on a great trick/tip for me. I will incorporate that cause usually when surprised with anything crazy in the food world my mind goe to ‘deprivation, desire, unfairness’ and more yet I best replace that fast. I love it, thank you!
@FrankoBear that was a great response. "It’s steadying’’ and it is when we totally have our control over our meals and we feel SO comforted by that but yet the mean mad world is out and about, enveloping us and darn, we all got family members who are not carnivores! 
It is a tough rollercoaster but you made great points showing how great and easy your shop/lifestyle truly is vs "against them’ ya know and I feel it too…make sure ya don’t go the other way, getting irked ‘at them’ cause I went there for a bit…in the end let everyone do their own thing and find that best place for us, we have to adapt around the horror food out there for sure, on our shoulders I guess
@ctviggen problem is when you chat carnivore and fat and ‘too much protein’ only thing I as a true carnivore can’t get around is what else you truly are eating…as in you can’t ever compare fat/protein levels etc. with a ‘ketovore’ against a ‘all in hardcore carnivore’…the entire concepts do not relate.
having said that carnivores do not put some ‘magical fat/protein equation one has to meet ever’ on ourselves in that there never will be one…we are all different.
It truly is not a complex analysis on carnivore and when I answer up to Septimius in a response to his post you will see where I am going…
@Septimius YOUR POST WAS FANTASTIC truly. I enjoyed reading all your insights and they are great ones to boot 
I love this: people embarking on this way of eating are seeking the optimum solution, but I think there isn’t one, as everyone’s situation and metabolism and fitness and dietary adherence is different.
and I am gonna drag that a tad farther…one must be ALL IN carnivore to start and then it is 1000% about that person. Alot of us carnivores say wow I got that healed too, my energy is high too, my ‘insert med issues’ have cleared more and I am thriving more…wow me too…there is alot of me too but in the bitter end of it all, we will all vary tremendously as you see when other carnivores come on and say, wow I have issues with…most of that is time. Adaption time and it isn’t about protein fat intake ever, it is about body healing. No one’s physical body will equal anothers is the big take away I see on ZC forums all the time and those who hold tight, win the entire war, those who ‘try to experiment a tad to much and force issues’ don’t end up winning the entire war, they fight battle after battle and continue the war.
now the next part also is as much as people on forums say they are carnivore, many are eating who knows what the heck behind their keyboards…so we must always keep things in perspective when we ‘read what others’ are handling ya know. (just something I truly keep in mind on our ZC forums when I respond to posts…this WOE and Lifestyle truly absorbs many to its fullness but so many try and can’t do it but we will never hear about it ya know…just one of those things.
Now on carnivore we don’t play the protein intake level game, we don’t play the how much fat intake level game truly, not by what someone tells you to do on youtube or podcast or article…WE ARE about our bodies and what it asks as it asks it and a carnivore will change on the body’s timeline and not ever one other reason.
one of the big key sayings in carnivore is GET OUT OF YOUR OWN WAY cause if you do just this and eat truly as your body asks when it asks it, we can’t fail…but it will be on an individuals timeline and not anything else.
We start carnivore we crave it all. big meat big fat intake and we love it.
A year in we find, hmmm…that burger I ate isn’t settling as well, many don’t do as great on burger fat as others so we might need to consider that or we find we WANT to start dropping bacon and ‘extra snacks’ of beef sticks or pork rinds cause our bodies are saying, hmm, walking away from this and we all get this point, we see it…go with the flow.
Then year 2 we get very very non hungry maybe, we are more nourished, more healed and our bodies say, hmm, eat less, I don’t need it…and people get freaked. See it all the time on zc forums…lol…yea I was one too It is like I am eating hardly nothing but feeling the best I ever been…cool but we worry
then year 3 we change again with needing more food to eat to maybe change the body composition and to gain muscle so we eat more and think? WTH? I was eating almost OMAD only and now I NEED 2 meals per day cause I want it and yet we don’t ‘just follow the body’, we start to worry
Now in year 4 I am now changing again. Summer I eat so much less. 1.5 down in June for weight cause I am eating less BUT THE KEY HERE is I let it happen. Life. Seasons. Just eating as the body wants and nicest thing is about carnivore, when winter hits and I eat more carnivore I will never gain…I tell ya when the gaining ‘for real bigger weight’ starts this is where I question a few things…what is the person’s full on medical issues and what ‘else’ are they eating?
And you are 1000% right @Septimius, this thread is for throwing out info, experiments and wondering what ifs for sure and when we chat them out and just let the thoughts flow we can find A TON of great info in them for sure or we see faults we didn’t know were there in our calculations and might learn when ‘to leave good enough alone’ and more LOL
I sure am enjoying this chat!
so my stair runs took a bit longer with a few toilet stops!
and 1/2 doz. of the most over the top donuts. Luckily I despise donuts but I wanted to lick all the good off the tops, open them up and suck out the creams in the middle and the cake…omg. I wanted the whole damn thing! and I ain’t a big cake person either but this thing…yes I wanted it…I yelled internally that I wasn’t having it at myself LOL
