Not only are fat and muscle two different types of cells, but muscle tissue is made of protein, and every protein is a combination of specific amino acids in a specific order. Every amino acid contains at least one nitrogen molecule (in fact, the word “amino” is derived from “ammonia”), and nitrogen is the one chemical element contained in protein that is not contained in fat or carbohydrate. So it’s not only physiologically impossible to turn fat into muscle, it is chemically impossible, as well.
Feels like I’m dying after four days trying carnivore
Lbomb
#24
Yea let’s not argue about semantics here and who’s smarter then who, I think the general public gets what I’m saying. Oh and I appreciate the input on the pickles thanks 
cw2001
(Cindy)
#25
I certainly wasn’t trying to argue or imply that I’m smarter than anyone here. But there are people who think they can turn fat into muscle (or, if they stop working out, that their muscle will turn to fat), so I didn’t think it would hurt to make sure you weren’t one of those people.
To this day, my mom swears that she got fatter in the belly because, when she stopped exercising with me, her belly got bigger. When I try to explain that that couldn’t be the case, she says “Well, I didn’t have this big belly before!” 
Lbomb
#26
No worries ! And thanks for the input 
I suppose I should have said I’m looking to lose fat and gain muscle. Cheers!
pickles. I was craving the juice today.
Regina
(Empress of the Unexpected)
#30
Every time someone mentions pickles, I walk to the fridge like a lemming. I have a jar I never eat any other time, except when the subject comes up on the forums.
Lbomb
#32
See I’m not a pickle person , I get so grossed out by the ends of the pickles, any time I’ve ever eaten them I have to cut their yucky ends off. Haha but that is really cool to hear about the electrolyte aspect of pickles I was unaware they help with balancing that.
PortHardy
(Heather Meyer)
#33
Interesting so how high carb do you think you can take in while maintaining a ketogenic state?
Alpha
(Omar)
#34
the first thing comes to my mind when I hear the maasi story is are they healthy ?
When I went to Kenya I did not get the impression they are energetic.
also I belive the old studies but new studies are difficult after most societies converted even partialy to the western diet
easygainz
#35
Ketosis is all about consuming/burning fat, consuming too much protein will just keep kicking u out and back in ketonic state and keep delaying ur actual adaption. Extra protein ur body dont use turns into sugar, which kicks u out and the exercise u have later the day burns away again keeping u in the loop.
Whats the reason for carnivore diet ? It makes no sense trying to be in ketosis with a dietary choices that dont properly support ketosis.
easygainz
#37
Are the triggers for IBS symptoms based on too much carbs or fats or just some more specific things like dairy?
Either way OP should stay away from ketosis cause not eating enough fat and having too much protein will just make u feel awful forever, not to mention the burden it will have on ur liver.
Only way for OP to do ketosis would be to find high fat foods (maybe nuts, seeds or fatty fish etc) that he/she can digest and keep the fat intake atleast at 60%.
RobC
(Robert C)
#38
Your question is in reply to these posts about cycling feast and famine cycles.
Their point is that it might not be best to stay ketosis always (low insulin always) - start at 2:20 on the “Feast Famine Cycles”.
What he seems to be saying is that the body will, after long periods of low insulin, decide a strategy of trying to defend body fat is good, so will start doing that.
Of course, this does not happen when fasting adaptations are happening because no food is coming in but, it could be a form of calorie restriction creating an adverse side effect.
So cycling out of ketosis and then back in seems to be the strategy he recommends (listen to the rest of the video for fuller details).
But, if your question is just how many carbs can you have - you can only tell that by going with the definition of being above 0.5 mM measured with a blood ketone meter. For a younger fit person, 100 grams of carbs followed by a HIIT workout and a 5 mile run will probably always keep them in ketosis (above 0.5 mM). But, a middle aged metabolically challenged person that is only either sitting in a car, sitting in a chair or lying in a bed my go below 0.5 mM with just 40 grams of carbs (especially if most were at a single meal).
MarkGossage
(bulkbiker)
#39
Disagree with just about every point you are making here… I’m still in nutritional ketosis every day while eating a meat only diet so…In fact since the new year I have only eaten beef/coffee with cream and tea with lactofree milk.
RobC
(Robert C)
#40
I have also heard that people are trying Carnivore for auto-immune issues as a last resort and / or something similar to an elimination diet (listen to 1:20 from the video linked).
The worry is (per Dr. Rhonda Patrick in the video linked) that people without issues are trying it - without much research on long term effects as no one has ever done this before (just muscle meat for periods of time longer than seasons in their area would require).
I guess the point is, if you are feeling really bad and it makes you feel better - makes sense (and keep researching).
But, if you don’t feel bad, might be better and proven ways to get to your goals?
Excess Protein Discussion
RobC
(Robert C)
#41
You seem to be correct, once introduced to foods they did not have to risk death for (having to hunt down and kill) they went for it - from the Wiki linked:
“Today, the stable diet of the Maasai consists of cow’s milk and maize-meal. The former is largely drunk fresh or in sweet tea and the latter is used to make a liquid or solid porridge.”