Feels like I’m dying after four days trying carnivore


(mole person) #148

It would if it were the whole story, but it’s not. It is absolutely true that gluconeogenesis is a demand driven proccess and that we needn’t worry about too much protein driving blood sugars to insane levels. However, what’s left out is that excess proteins are converted into energy in our bodies via many, many different pathways. Mostly the excess amino acids are deanimated and their carbon skeleton is fed directly into the Krebs cycle to produce ATP.

What’s important about this, and which I see ignored a lot on this forum, is that excess proteins are always used preferentially over fats since there is almost no storage for them in our bodies, it’s even used preferencially over carbohydrates. Thus, while our bodies are dealing with this excess it is not burning fat.

I’ve noticed that people here respect Amy Berger and point to her blog about protein and gluconeogenesis a fair bit, but somehow don’t see that in that blog she also says all of the above.

People like Phinney and Fung understand this biology and thus are very careful in describing this diet as moderate protein. You don’t want to eat protein in much greater excess than you need for upkeep, maintenance, and whatever growth you may be after via exercise.


Excess Protein Discussion
#149

I’m on day 6, it feels like I’m getting over the hump …still a little tired. I don’t feel so sick anymore just tired…I’m wondering if I need to eat more. How much are you all eating ? I’m a smaller individual so I can’t down 3lbs of meat like a guy can. I consume 1-2 lbs of ground beef a day. Lately I eat about 1lb ground beef and 1 egg mixed with 1/2 Parmesan cheese and one can of tuna to make two tuna patties. I would say though on average these past 6 days it’s been about 2lbs meat total for the day. I essentially just eat when I’m hungry…I need to figure out some carnivore snacks…I heard some people pre make meatballs and stuff.


(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #150

I came across a study last week that suggested that the body can use albumin protein synthesis as a way to store amino acids temporarily. They also suggest that oxidation is a way in which the body can take amino acids out of circulation (it wasn’t clear if deamination was part of that process). But even the authors of that article agreed that the amino-acid pool doesn’t hold much extra.


Excess Protein Discussion
(Omar) #151

what form of energy?
glucose or ketones ?

sorry I am not usually argumentative but I am trying to understand


(mole person) #152

I’d love to have a look at this if you have a link.

I’d be very interested in a link to this as well.


(mole person) #153

The short answer is both. Some amino acids get converted into ketones, some into glucose, and yet others can be converted into both depending on the bodies requirements.

What’s interesting about this is that if you eat excessive protein you might still show blood ketones EVEN if you are in fat storage mode.

I have much better and in depth resources on my PC at home, but for now I can only link this:

Never worry about appearing argumentative when just asking for more information!


Excess Protein Discussion
(Omar) #154

thank you llana

I will try to read as this is something new to me

thanks


(Empress of the Unexpected) #155

Also different types of meats have different amino acid ratios.


(Chris) #156

I’d really like to continue this discussion as well - I’m super interested in this. I created a separate thread though so that we’re not “derailing” OP’s thread here. Interested?


(mole person) #157

Yes… wonderful idea.


(*Tame Those Ghrelin Gremlins) #158

I thought that it was a myth, I was sure something I read said that too much protein does not automatically kick you out of Ketosis. Hmmm information overload.


(Chris) #159

It doesn’t kick you out of ketosis but may have implications on fat burning. Read a few posts above yours.


(Crow T. Robot) #160

Just to be clear. I didn’t ask RobC to stop posting. I said that he had made his point clear that ‘carnivore is unproven and shouldn’t be tried until we know it’s safe’, and that he didn’t need to keep repeating it. I never said he couldn’t post in this thread or share his point of view.

That said, I think it is a breach of netiquette to crash someone else’s thread and critique something that they are doing. You might think you’re helping, but if they say, “no thanks”, which the OP did, you should respect their wishes.

Peace


#161

Yea anyways can some one answer my question above please


(Kiranjeet Bhabra) #162

Ur tuna beef mix recipe sounds good…mayb u can switch to some pork…pork chops :smile:
Salmon with.garlic butter…


(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #164

Snacking is ok in the beginning but the goal is to eat enough at mealtime that you don’t want to snack in between. Until you are ready, pork rinds, broth, precooked bacon out of the fridge, cheese if you’re eating it, hard boiled eggs, cold meat balls, deli meat with cream cheese (if you’re having cheese).


(Omar) #165

thanks for reminding me about ground meat ball

My only snacks have been cheddar cheese and HWC.


(James) #166

It took me about 2 weeks to feel really good on carnivore. My sugar cravings are almost non-existent now. I too, had brain fog w/pressure, fatigue and a little nausea. Now farther into it, I have never felt better! I eat twice a day. Two pretty large meals. One at work(1:00pm). Then I eat after the gym(7:00pm). I stay satiated and don’t crave any snacks in between now either. Since Jan 1, I’m down over 10lbs on the scale. Granted I’m more focused on dropping BF% eating this way. The weight loss feels great on my knees and feet.


(James) #167

In my experience lately, if I do start to feel lethargic, I try to eat anything that’s available with a high protein and fat content. I usually feel almost instantly better. Make sure you’re getting enough salt as well.


(8 year Ketogenic Veteran) #168

TL;DR
I’m assuming somebody talked about how useless these are? When we are well adapted they might not show ketones at all. The very beginning, the first couple of weeks if there’s any color at all that means you’re making ketones and so you are in ketosis. But that’s the only thing they’re good for. The shade of color means nothing btw.