Eggtober Octstravaganza - 31 days of Healthy Protein Eating - Carnivore Challenge

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(Karen) #61

I put butter on just about everything at the mo… the rump steaks haven’t enough fat on them so i needed to add some and i like the taste so have been adding it to the fish too. I choose the french butter with crystalised salt which makes it crunchy and delish :grinning: as for eating 3 meals a day, i have gone down to 2 . My first meal is always somewhere between 1130 and 1330 which means if i eat 3 meals the third one is late and i wanted to stop eating after 6pm. So it makes sense to eat 2mad instead. Also it has helped kick the snacking habit. I was snacking on too much cheese and eating too much mayo!

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Today was… Bad. Mostly gloomy weather, just like my mood. Extremely, unusually bad headache (thankfully this was the almost unheard of case when 2 painkillers did the trick), among others and merely keto because Alvaro made an old fav of mine and some bigger volume and finally some potentially nice food sounded good on this miserable day, I did think it over. I had coffee with creams, of course I did on such a day but NOT in the morning, nope, I am better than that.
The dish (that I still quite like, apparently and still can’t keep super low but it’s loads better than in the past when I ate it until stomachache as my stomach can’t stretch bigger than 2 liters and this thing is mostly water, not substantial) probably not the reason that I tracked 3200 kcal. And it’s not even much, actually, I did worse even on pure carni days but I was hungry in the end! And didn’t enjoy my scratchings enough. It was less fat, by the way, the scratchings had some meat and this pork shoulder is leaner than the old ones but yes, there was butter, not little cream, scratchings multiple times (I was hungry and miserable. I was careful but it’s super dense) and butter again…
But my protein is low enough so I have that. And it was still keto.

760g meat and scratchings (if I count raw meat, my meat and fat tissue is over 800g. wow. it didn’t seem so much when I ate it though I thought it wasn’t actually low)… Hm. I should have gotten more satiated then. Let’s blame the chicken and my too many meals or something. But the chicken was very delicious, I love stews now and probably will make a more satiating one soon.
About 1 hour after my last meal I finally got satiated, now it’s good.

Alvaro could eat and cook and gets better every day. He ate part of my little leftover lean pork so I got out some pork shoulder from the freezer. And ate a lot of ham, it’s so amazing… I ate everything I had, basically though very little cheese as we don’t have much and Alvaro needs it way more. He has problems with fatty food. Quark was shot down as it must be mixed with sour cream and the latter is fatty and nauseating. I am soooo glad his normal form isn’t like this, I can’t cook low-fat. Well I can cook some carby sides and lean pork but that’s about it. And eggs are magical, they don’t even feel as fatty as they are. Or not to everyone. Even Alvaro is willing to eat them now that we don’t have more lean pork.

By the way, eggs! When I went to pick up the little rabbit, I was listening to a radio as I often do. And it had advertisement for two contests involving eggs. So eggs are celebrated as they totally should. The usual weekend cooking show of the radio will be about eggs :slight_smile:

I use one of the cheapest (and dangerously delicious) butter and stick it into my pink Himalayan salt :wink: Or pour some on it, it depends. Today it was cold so I could grab it :slight_smile:

2MAD sounds best to me (if I can’t do OMAD while being content with eating only once) but I can’t avoid 5MAD days like today (though the last 3 were so close to each other we may consider it one with two breaks…? but I don’t count that way, usually).
I had 2 meals on my old keto (with always 3 hours break between them) but the carbs inflate my meals easily, more like inevitably… I don’t think I ever had 5 meals before carnivore (expect when I was a kid, for various reasons), carbs made it virtually impossible. I don’t do tiny meals on carbs under normal circumstances. I remember 3 meals at some point but the first was just some tiny snack, who knows why. I always had lunch and dinner (supper? I may use it wrong but English still confuses me. I mean the evening meal) as natural biggish meals and 2 biggish meals are already over my energy need so no need for more. When I do TMAD now, my first meal is decent sized, not small, not big (big meals are OMAD meals) but the second is small.

I go for TMAD tomorrow - or rather OMAD as I will fry about 600g pork and that is usually quite tempting freshly made :wink: Whatever will feel best. Sometimes I get satiated early, sometimes not but I hardly will get bored of my meat dish this time! (It’s possible but unlikely.)
It will be a carnivore no-coffee day, no matter how I feel. Today was today but I get my stuff together now.

It’s so amazing not to have a headache anymore…

(Bean) #63

I looked at your shrimp and fish picture three times- my brain saw your shrimp as breakfast cereal. I was very confused.

(Bean) #64

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I made a chicken chips discovery today. I did them in microwave. No mess!

I make chicken stock from the 10# leg quarter seconds I can get from a local poultry producer. It’s good chicken and cheap. Usually I take the skin off and then throw the legs in the pot. I was in a hurry and left it on, pulling it off when I took the meat off the bone, and putting the skin aside for later. Later, it was a gelatinous pile of skin. Frying in a skillet is a mess. I was pleased this worked! I sliced across the “pile” and kind of made strips. Covered, salted , and microwaved for 2-2.5 minutes.

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My co-worker brought me some of her daughter’s chickens eggs today. I thought they were pretty drying after hard-boiling.

#65

If @Fangs were here she would probably recommend two things. 1. Stay on plan. 2. Eat enough. And probably, 3. Don’t count calories.

Since your plan has therapeutic requirements for immune-mediated disease, eating clean carnivore is important. Eating just skeletal muscle can lead to protein poisoning, however, be careful of that. Bone broths will add some important amino acids, fats and micronutrients, especially minerals.

The podcast goes into the depth of eating amino acids. So it dives deeper than just eating protein.

My understanding is that if a person has good quality digestible protein with good amino acid ratios for healthy living, then they can choose either carbs or fat as their energy source depending on how they feel. With immune mediated disease plant antigens are a concern. Meat is protein and fat in combination. Logic seems to move us toward animal-based fats, untrimmed meat cuts , or oily fish to fulfil energy needs.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #66

You seem to be one of those people who need more protein than average. Keep listening to your body. If you are getting enough fat, you will have plenty of energy, on top of meeting your protein needs.

Mitochondrial healing will most likely help with the autoimmune problems. At its root, all metabolic disease seems to involve mitochondrial dysfunction. If we eat right, we can encourage those mitochondria to grow healthy and multiply, resulting in good overall health, because all our cells will be healthy.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #67

Protein toxicity, also known as rabbit starvation, comes from a lack of fat, as well as too much protein. In particular, there are two fats that must be present in the diet: an ω-3 fat called α-linolenic acid, and an ω-6 fat called linoleic acid. I don’t know whether the symptoms of rabbit starvation come primarily from the lack of these two essential fatty acids, or from too much protein.

Just bear in mind that choosing carbs as one’s primary energy source leads to mitochondrial dysfunction, which, depending on where in the body it occurs, can cause cancer, mental problems, motor neuron problems, fatty liver and/or pancreas, muscle weakness, PCOS, impotence, and a host of other problems. Not to mention the damage from glycation and oxidation throughout the body.

#68

It was so quick? It takes almost forever in a pan… I will experiment as I never tried to nuke chicken skin… Makes sense it works but I thought it’s a lot of time either way and I don’t like nuking things for long (probably because it’s quickly can go awry).

I will try it next time.

Sadly it isn’t the case for some of us. Unfair. But life is like that.

Oh so it’s not the other, way easier to reach kind, way too much protein without lack of fat. What is that called?

So many people talk about rabbit starvation, I don’t understand. Who eats like that when they can choose their food? It’s very hard to consume only very lean meat anyway, most of us physically couldn’t do it even if we wanted. Even fatphobic people don’t eat just lean protein (their diet is bad just not rabbit starvation).

Today is a lovely sunny day, I try to keep myself from eating at least until my 590g nicely fatty pork gets ready (it will happen just before 3pm). I probably fancy eating to get joy but it’s a very wrong single reason.

(Judy Thompson) #69

I’m reading Anthony Chaffee “Why We Are Carnivore.” One chapter is a transcript of a podcast with Dr. Thomas Seyfried who has done a great deal of research using metabolic therapy for cancer. He goes into detail re mitochondrial dysfunction and how ketogenic therapy can reverse not just the cancer but all the metabolic diseases, patients coming in with comorbidities such as obesity, heart disease, diabetes, and his metabolic therapy reverses all of it. It’s a fascinating interview.
I was reading it in the car yesterday, our last day back in Texas, and couldn’t help reading sections out loud to hubby.

“Sugar itself is not a carcinogen. However: Chronic excessive consumption of carbohydrates can put the body in an imbalanced nutritional state - and that’s what elicits the disease. It’s not only cancer, it’s Type 2 diabetes Alzheimer’s disease Cardiovascular disease It’s essentially: All of the major chronic diseases that we are currently suffering from are the result of excessive amounts of carbohydrates in the diet. We as a species did not evolve to eat large amounts of carbohydrates. It was only a seasonal kind of situation. A ripe fruit, a ripe berry or something like this would be so sweet. Maybe honey. It wasn’t chronic exposure to high levels of carbohydrates, that are coming from the foods that we presently have in our societies. And that is ultimately the origin of the majority of chronic diseases that we have: A diet that does not fit our evolutionary past.”

(Judy Thompson) #70

Oh and here’s something interesting. I used to never be able to read in the car, as I would get car sick. That’s gone. I read for hours yesterday, and no ill effects!

We stopped for lunch at a little truck stop at the corner of 20 and 281, south of @Geezy56 (in Weatherford.) A nice little grill in there, I just ordered a cheeseburger without a bun, no sides and it was quite nice and filling!
Got home to Fredericksburg around 5 and after unpacking the cooler I had a boiled egg and a few slices of cheddar. I sous vide thawed the meat for Mimsy’s food and cooked the veggies but will assemble in the morning.
It’s much hotter here than VA - crossing the state line into Texas, temps went from 80 to 90! Time to re-acclimate…

#71

Alvaro still chooses the only diet that fits him. He suffers on low-carb very much, he just can’t do it (and when he tries, he gets unwell while being hungry or way too full. he says fat triggers overeating in him but unlike I, overeating doesn’t feel nice to him). He is following his body and is health-conscious and it results in HCHF for him. Hopefully it will work well for 8 more decades but we will see.
There is a huge individual factor I believe. I mostly look at the experiences, not the inner workings of the body but we see it everywhere that just because we are all humans, our body doesn’t seem to work the same way. There are a few general things only. Like protein is essential, even diseases can’t get rid of that even if some people need very low protein.

(Judy Thompson) #72

I’m this way with hubby. I fix all his favorites, if he wants apple pie I make it… but if he ever gets sick I will change his diet. He said look at my belly, wow I can’t believe it. I said, you know how to fix it and it would drop like a stone if you got rid of the sugar and flour. So he knows. But he still gets great pleasure from crackers, lol

#73

I get nauseous very quickly when eating too much fat. If a peace of meat is too fatty and I am trying to eat evenly muscle and fat, I lose my appetite. But as soon as I cut out the fatty parts I can eat on and on.
I have access to good cheap lamb. But that is so fatty that I can’t get enough calories per day when eating that because of the nausea. Overeating fat for me is impossible.

(Geoffrey) #74

Yes ma’am, I know the one you’re talking about. I wish I could have met up with you but I’m in Palestine right now heading to New Orleans on a motorcycle run.

(Bean) #75

Yes, very quick. This skin was somewhat precooked since it started out in the stock pot. I remove/ reserve the meat partially through cooking the broth. I would think it would be do-able with raw skin, just play with the time. I have one of those domed plate covers for microwaving.

#76

@JJFiddle:
Alvaro is slim since I know him (he was a fat kid but he is vain so he got slim and stayed like that. okay it’s easier with a healthy, active body, not everyone can just slim down quickly and simply especially not with his method but he did it). I was always fat (and I experiented and put sooo much effort into it and still no success… well not a complete one and very little regarding fat-loss. I have a way better diet than before, with benefits so I don’t say it wasn’t worth it. I just need to do it better and soon.) He even easily gains fat unlike me. And still, he wins, he is just loads better at being slim than me. (I still think it’s easier when one has a decent energy need. Mine is too tiny especially compared to my protein need. Eating my minimal protein without getting too much fat is really hard.)
We both are pretty healthy but still young too…
At this point it seems we both are very close to our sweet spots and not much change has much reality.
And we both know we have about zero chance to change the other person’s diet significantly at this point. He followed me into vegetarianism, stopping vegetarianism (I still never cooked meat and he mentioned once that he gladly would eat meat more than 3-4 times a year… when I tried carnivore, he started to complain about meat and I didn’t even force him to eat it :smiley: I just offer it as my number 1 idea for protein. he had plenty of vegetarian days, now they are very rare. I am curious what future will bring), no gluten year (he ate rice all the time instead of bread, easy), no lactose year, banning added sugar (it was super easy for both of us)… I did what I could, I love experimenting and love cooking as low-carb as possible so I pretty much figured out his limits.
If his health would suffer, I probably would do my best to change things as being tolerant and understanding is one thing but I want to live long and NOT alone so it’s not his personal business. But I hope I won’t need to worry about that ever as how on earth could I figure out what diet is good for him if not his current one? Well if he stopped thriving on his diet, he would get a huge motivation to try out things… He is very fixed in his ways now because it works wonderfully so why fix it if it’s not broken and any change results in him feeling bad?

I can relate. CRUNCHY things, I soooo love them. Even when I stopped buying overprocessed high-carb things, I got tempted by certain items. Wafers and crunchy biscuits/crackers so I occasionally bought them as exception. I was torn but wanted those and could handle a little. Stupid things are in bigger packages though and who am I to resist crunchy things…? So I bought them super rarely and the smallest packages… I finally stopped that but it took many, many years. I know I need to learn to make crunchy biscuits somehow. I can’t even make them using unlimited flour, my antitalent is that severe! And I want to make them carnivore, of course. Tricky. The closes I get is some heavily cheesy thing but if I don’t add at least a bit starch (if I add something to begin with), the result isn’t super crunchy. Cheese whisps are super crunchy but they are too cheesy, I don’t always want that.
This desire never will go away, probably so I really should start experimenting now. I am in a nice chill phase where I am fine without biscuits (it is my normal form but sometimes the desire attacks me and as I don’t buy biscuits, it’s easy not to eat them but I MISS the biscuits I want) so I forgot about experimenting but when the next attack comes, I will be in a pinch if I won’t want cheese whisps. If I just want crunchy, I have my scratchings even if that’s dangerously fatty but sometimes I want thin, crunchy biscuits. Or cookies but cookies always make me think of dessert type baked goods while biscuits can be savory. Biscuit to me is always a flat thing as we don’t have a word for the thick ones. My word usage is heavily influenced by Hungarian words. Hence breakfast is always an early morning meal to me. Breakfast has the word “morning” in it (it only have one extra letter) and that ends at 9am in Hungarian even if one isn’t a morning person and working hours start late. 10am is “beforenoon” in mirror translation :wink: I wrote about these before but we always have new ones here and anyway, I don’t expect anyone to read my long comments.

I understand that, sure, not everyone can eat very fatty. I couldn’t in the beginning either (just for a few days, thankfully but I got nauseous with my usual amount of fat without my usual amount of ballast). But rabbit starvation requires almost ZERO fat. If I ate only lean pork (but not light pork loin, that’s REALLY lean. more like my usual green ham, I even like that), I would get the necessary fat, probably. (Or not because I would severely starve as I can’t stomach much lean meat alone but that’s another matter…)
I actually don’t know the specifics just that it’s SUPER low-fat. The top leanest meats only in pretty big amounts, it’s unnatural for the vast majority of people I suppose. Even if they would gladly eat such meals, their body very quickly would pester them to add some fat.

I know and I often have the same, cooked skin, maybe roasted but still not even crispy… It’s a great thing if it will be quick, I always bemoaned the fact I had to play for so long to get the crunchiness… Especially when I only had a bit of skin and not a panful.
I don’t put skin into my soups if possible as they make it too fatty for us. I noticed lean meat is wonderful for me in soups while I don’t like them otherwise (maybe with sauces)… It’s so odd how differently I feel regarding soup and basically everything else…

#77

Rib eye steak tonight cooked in cast iron on the wood fire. Some grilled cheese as well. 4 egg omelette with bacon this morning. 2 coffees while marking student work. Ugh I don’t like to sit too long.

Mackerel sky tonight. I like sky scrying - trying to pick the weather from looking at the clouds. Then I go and read the weather forecast.

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(Judy Thompson) #78

But we do. If you take the time to write them. So tell the Hungarian words, educate us!

I don’t think it’s all about being fat or slim. Some very skinny people are the most unhealthy and I think like me, you have a body that finds its setpoint and is very hard to budge! But I’m with you, not trying to force anybody’s woe even if they live with us and we can see what they can’t. Hubby is also healthy and strong at 75 years old. and not stupid - he looks to me to find his natural health cures when necessary! So, say he got cancer. We’d do what I have researched to help reverse it, and that would likely be zero carb plus whatever else is available by that time. Because now we know that cancer cells need carbs to ferment and feed their dysfunctional mitochondria. In that way we are all alike.

#79

Oh yea I would be saying that and a tad more usually, lol.
EAT ALL the meat seafood fish and fowl you want at all times. Our body directs us on what we want, I know mine did as I changed over, full transition to gain real ‘ZC smarts’ can take years :slight_smile: but key being, we SO change thru time on this plan. Just go with the daily flow ya need at all times and listen to the body point blank, after that time changes us anyway and what we thought as our eating pattern was set in stone, nope, usually we do change even more wtih time on this plan for sure!!

Eggs, great Oct title! loving it. Heck I did not even realize it was Oct til I had to handle the insurance claim from my kiddo’s car being hit on Uni campus a few days ago…claim lady said Oct and I was like, nope it is Sept and she is like, nope it is Oct…imagine a power chat over what month a claim went down and me being an idiot saying it ain’t Oct to a stranger and me being so adamant on it, til I was totally proven wrong, yes the darn month changed HAHA WOW I am so behind the time literally in my life, LOL

Eggs. Simple for me. Ate a gazillion thru like year 1 and 2 cause there were a massive ‘filler side item’ for me with meat when I wanted more food and used them. Year 3 and 4 dumped them back into a ‘need only when needed desperately’ category, as in hubby dragging my butt out to a darn pancake/waffle house to eat, yes I relied on the bacon cheese omelet for sure for survival :slight_smile: Then next years I dumped eggs mostly other then again, survival mode when out and about. I required no eggs to be cooked in my house unless in super emergency situation, that usually never came down, I had a steak as my emergency eat food ya know, eggs were useless to me at that point. Eggs became non fill food for me. They do not hold me at all anymore! I can eat a 3 or 6 egg omelet with some bacon and cheese and within a few hrs I am starving. They are not dense meat I require for total best for me. I need dense meals, like beef, pork, even chicken is better than eggs, lol, along with seafood like shrimp etc which is delish but again won’t hold me well…so eggs now, almost non-existent but darn did I eat my mega fill of them thru the years :slight_smile: If it wasn’t for hubby, I doubt I would ever buy another carton of eggs in my lifetime :wink:

simple day. gotta hit grocery store for a few items. now that kiddo is in University I truly don’t care what carby sides are in this house LOL Poor hubby is getting the full effect of me not caring to shop anymore HA but I will hit store and get him some stuff, I want a big ol’ honking top sirloin steak. In mood for that taste on that cut of meat. 2nd meal after that, hmm, got pork of course I can eat or might see what sales are at store etc…might be just a double beef day for me.

ZC ON STRONG EVERYONE!!

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Oh I LOVE my own language :smiley: Other languages too, I learned some useful things in a few pleasant minutes about connection between French and English too (some old words may be guessed with some tricks)!

Morning is “reggel”, breakfast is “reggeli” :slight_smile:
The biscuit/cookie/cracker word may be not so useful but it’s “keksz”. Small, thin, savory, sweet or natural crunchy or a bit softer but still not totally soft baked things.
And sometimes I miss an English word for “sütemény” (“süti” in a playful abbreviation. some people overdo it and do it to every word more than 2 syllables but sometimes they do it to the 2 syllable ones too, it’s horrible… it may sound very silly sometimes). It’s a whole variety of baked goods. It’s usually sweet but it can be savory but it’s something fancier than bread and the like though the close relatives of bread are called “péksütemény”, pék is baker… Sütemény is all cookies, tarts, cakes, sweet pies, pastries but I don’t know a single English word to cover it all…

I actually didn’t want to write this much but I really, really love to write about it. I could do it for hours, our language is tricky and interesting.

Oh I am very much against the extremely stupid idea nowadays that healthy means skinny or if it’s a food, low-cal. I just meant that we two don’t have the fat(tier) high-carber, slimmer low-carber reality…

I don’t know about setpoints… They may be a thing. But in my case, it is probably my calories. Or it’s possible both. I clearly eat too much to lose fat so I don’t expect that to happen.
And WHY my sometimes not so smart body decided it likes 75kg after very many years being fine with 69-70? That was my stress gain after Alvaro’s big accident with the splenectomy (it was surreal as I didn’t eat more, in the beginning definitely less. I had a lot of freshly made meat and I had to put it into the freezer…) and I never ever ever lost it, not even on carnivore when I ate less then on keto and better and everything… :frowning:
But whenever I manage to eat a bit less, I slowly loses fat - as far as I can tell it, I never go below 74 and even with my stable weight, it’s a tiny difference…
But eating less than my energy need? Almost impossible for me. Eating 1-2000 kcal more? Not even a challenge, happens even if I try the opposite…

But I don’t worry about it, I just try to track (very inaccurate but better than nothing) and figure out what I need to change to get better macros. Tracking was very useful to show how much dairy I can eat… And it doesn’t satiate me well.
I won’t keep myself from eating meat (well, to a great extent. I shouldn’t go way over 600g…) or even some eggs if I desire those… I even eat my sratchings but how could I resist them? :smiley: And I try to eat lean and it may be okay… If I don’t overdo cream and butter at the same time… I am even careful… :upside_down_face:
But I just can’t restrict myself much all the time. It’s fine. I am going into the right direction even if it’s not very noticeable and not at all looking at my fat mass.

It’s good to see you here again, @Fangs and with a comment with a nice length too! :wink:

It is normal to me, 3 egg omelet makes me hungry if it’s not super early or not my first meal… 6 egg with bacon and cheese still is a smallish meal, of course I get hungry in 1-3 hours…
Egg is still my second top satiating item after meat. (On carnivore as in general gluten tops even meat as far as I know, it’s not like I experimented much.)
There is no food that has the macros of a 6 egg omelet with bacon and cheese (little bacon and cheese as I find it right for only 6 eggs. and sour cream because no way I eat a big omelet without that) that could keep me satiated for several hours. I need frequent meals in my eating window, it’s good I don’t need a big eating window, my 5MAD days are bad enough.

But I am glad I finally could drop my egg intake and raise my meat one. Works better. If I keep my dairy low… And don’t eat too many times a day as that is hard to balance out. Good for maintenance though but almost anything is, it’s no feat for me with this body.

Eat is a great support, variety item. If I get hungry, I almost always eat meat but some eggs help with eating enough.

Today was special. I got hungry early again… Whatever I wrote and decided, I was hungry and didn’t want to wait for long so at some point (when I had an eggy, creamy coffee for my headache and wow, it helped this time) I had some wonderful sandwiches :heart_eyes: Most people seem to like normal sandwiches, I even heard many think of them when hearing the word “lunch” :scream:. It never was very tempting or proper meal to me.
But time passed and now I have my 100% egg buns… And have really great sandwiches. My buns, a little cheese, smoked ham (I am still into it very, very much) and butter… It was highly enjoyable and I got satiated with little and I am fine since. It’s 4pm and I will join Alvaro when he eats his evening meal.

I am really sorry for all these comments today, it’s not good even for me, so much time and I surely mostly repeat myself :rage:
I try not to come for a while (like, one day) but now I can show my scratchings :smiley: They are so fabulous, maybe they will trigger some motivation to get better at food photography…?

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I ate up the bigger part of it yesterday. Try to resist the rest for a while :slight_smile: It’s training. I have fried pork for today so it may not be hard.
This stuff helps when I just need a tiny extra push to get satiation after a decent sized meal. Or when I go for a fat-fast style tiny meal as my first one. A super high-fat meal is special, it’s the only type where I don’t need much protein and calories. Usually, at least. But even in the end of a meal, it has some satiation/satisfaction power.