Eggtober Octstravaganza - 31 days of Healthy Protein Eating - Carnivore Challenge

[Karen18]

Yesterdays food

Sirloin steak with 2 over easy fried eggs … beautiful … eggs were perfect for my liking and the steak was very tender and tasteful. The pork ribs were done in the slowcooker and the meat fell off the bone. I am doing so much better on simple plain meat rather than adding the spices and the pork tasted lovely. I noticed the urine odour returned after eating the chicken wings the other day. I am going to stop buying ready spiced wings in future and just cook plain wings for the foreseeable future. I think there maybe some spiced wings left in the freezer to use up.

Got up and started my day with stair running and managed 67 stair runs (75 total for the day) i was pleased with that, it feels such a long time since i have felt fit enough with this flippin virus. Sat outside to read, a bit overcast but dry and mild. Took yet another big black refuse sack full of shoes, clothes and bric a brac to the charity shop. Now to start filling anothe one!

Decided to go dancing last night to a modern jive evening. Raymond wanted to come along and did remarkably well. He never fails to surprise me how he bounces back after all his medical issues. You wouldn’t know he was 86 and certainly doesn’t look out of place amongst the younger dancers. The ladies still ask him to dance and not out of feeling sorry for him but that he is a good dancer! He mentioned that he didn’t want to cramp my style but to be honest i actually prefer him to come along, provided he is careful and doesn’t overdo it, because after dancing with some of the fellas it is just so nice to dance a nice dance. When the guys see you can dance well they so want to chuck in so much technical stuff they have learnt and sometimes it is so much that the pleasure just goes out of the dance!

Had to have a bit of a lay in after the late night … 11.30pm that’s very late for a bod that is usually in bed by 8pm😏 got my stair running head on and did 40 flights this morning. Very tired but recovered very quickly which is the important bit! Sat in part sunshine/part overcast with coffee and books. A bit of a chillier breeze this morning but still enjoyed the fresh air.

Brunch was 2 sea bass filets and cold water prawns. It was beautiful. I am really enjoying my food lately. Just plain with lovely french butter!

[PaulL]

I have persistent neuropathy from Lyme disease, and my knee buckled while I was crossing the street. Nothing to hold on to, so I went down hard. They had to operate on my ankle bone (malleolus).

And yeah, the scooter is great. Much more manageable than the wheel chair, and not nearly as strenuous as the walker!

[PaulL]

Glad it turned out not to be serious, but going to the ER was the right decision.

[PaulL]

The maths for more optimum protein daily intake is interesting to me. 0.8g/ kg of a person’s body weight per day is the RDA. That is a minimum daily allowance to avoid potential deficiencies. I think the keto ‘moderate’ amount is around about 1.0g/ kg of a person’s body weight per day.

This site follows Dr. Phinney’s recommendation of 1.0-1.5 g of protein per kg of lean body mass. But a number of experts, such as Benjamin Bikman, recommend up to 2.0 g. And on carnivore, we probably end up eating a bit more protein. The saying that “too much protein is not a thing,” is not strictly true, in that it is possible to give oneself ammonia toxicity (which is potentially fata) if protein intake is excessive. But the saying really means not to worry about too much protein, since we are highly unlikely to overeat it. (Gary Taubes mentions an overfeeding study in one of his books, during which one of the subjects reportedly broke down in tears at the thought of having to eat yet another pork chop.)

I am following Dr. Chaffee’s advice to eat meat as long as it tastes good, since I find that I don’t get that “empty pit” feeling when I’m hungry anymore. It seems to work well. If it tastes good, I eat it; when it stops tasting good, I put the leftovers (if any!) away for later.

[JJFiddle]

First night on the road accomplished and we’re heading through the green vista of Tennessee. Today we’re go through Nashville, Memphis, and the Arkansas Capitol, Little Rock. Tonight we stay in Texarkana and all of tomorrow we drive in Texas to end up in the exact middle of the state tomorrow night, and we’re home!

I forgot or misplaced Mimsy’s food . Didn’t discover it till lastnight. I make raw for her and have been making my own for over 5 years. Lastnight I shared my liverwurst, which she loves, but she cried to go out in the night and when hubby took her out, all was relieved. This morning I got sausage and eggs from the hotel breakfast bar and gave her a fair share. She was happy with that!
All we have to do is get through this 2 days and I can make a batch tomorrow night when we get home.
She will be 7 in late December. This is the first time she hasn’t had her raw food! Happy actually, to see how much better it is for her than this junk.

@PaulL What am awful experience. Since carnivore I don’t fall as much but I still fall some, grabbing a tree branch for balance which subsequently breaks for instance. Bad about the ankle. Hope you’re on the mend!
@Shinita Oh nets! Those little bitty birds could easily be caught in nets. They’re so cute!

[FrankoBear]

All bounced back. Billie as well.

Ate left over rib steak and pan-fried haloumi cheese for dinner. Had 1 egg omelette with a stack of bacon and a tin of mackerel for breakfast. 2 cups of coffee with a splash of pouring cream in each.

[Karen18]

2nd meal of todays 2 small sirloin steak. Very tender and tasty with cold water prawns and mussels sautèd in french butter. Added oodles of extra butter to the meal. I feel nicely full. Mussels are great fo filling you up. I got them from Morrisons today. They were reduced from £1.75 to 88p per 175g pack. So i got all the 8 that were reduced, used one pack this evening and the other 7 went straight into the freezer. They make a great filling omelette especially since i am not eating cheese now!!! Also bought 3 double packs of Denver steaks for £10. They were a mix and match 3 for £10 deal but the other stuff was chicken and pork with gubbins on so steaks only were perfect for me. Ahhh, love that i don’t have any hard decision making when i go shopping. Also got a brisket for £5.65… i will slow cook that tomorrow and hope that it looks as good as @JJFiddles pics of her briskets!

Ate the lot… was i greedy or what? Don’t feel stuffed, just satisfied

[Shinita]

I am sorry, this is a monster comment…

I picked up the rabbit. Didn’t find the fun meats on sale in the supermarket but there was the usual “scrap meat” on sale! It still looks 70/30 but that info disappeared, it says it contains green ham and shoulder pieces now. Hopefully tastier ones than my current roasts They are very disappointing, I can’t stomach much of them at once, at least not alone. Thankfully so many things can help but it annoys me that I need smoked ham, sausage, cream cheese or some sauce to be able to eat pork. IDK what is the matter with these now. Oh well. Alvaro is glad I roasted a lot of lean pork as he feels nauseous just thinking about fatty things. Maybe not eggs but we only have 10 now (isn’t even enough for a good day) and neither of us can go get more now. Except Alvaro is at the doc right now and maybe he could pick up some at the greengrocery… But he is sick while both my bicycle and right leg is in very bad shape. Well my leg is okay just aching and I automatically avoid to put weight into my heel and then eventually the other parts start aching too… It slowed me quite much today and it wasn’t fun at all. 11km is just too much with this leg of mine now. So I have a slightly tired leg and a super tired, aching one right now, odd feeling. I don’t want to walk for 2 days now. Maybe a tiny run out of pure stubbornness. If something feels bad to my right heel, it’s running. Unless I run limping but that’s super tiring for the parts trying to take the role of my heel. I did that today and stopped very soon.
But there is great weather for running (not at midday, I regretted I didn’t use full summer clothing, sleeveless top and thin pants. but it was tolerable, my leg was much worse but even my slow speed. I am used to walking at 5-6km/h, that’s slow enough…) so I want to do it. At least a tiny bit! Just to the hilltop and back. Oh I should make a shot, the sorghum is all red and beautiful now and the nearby lake with the hills is pretty as usual.

I have lasted for almost 2 days. Good enough. At 16:30 I drank my first coffee… It’s nice. I put milk into it, it seems milk is freezable. We are surprised but it’s great news, I don’t need to drink milk just to avoid spoilage. The ESL milk is fine but the raw milk doesn’t last long.

@JJFiddle, good to read about Mimsy I remember when Fangs talked about Bolt but we barely even see herself here now. Of course, I would be curious about Mimsy even in the presence of Bolt stuff… The little zillion miles lapdog!

subjects reportedly broke down in tears at the thought of having to eat yet another pork chop

I would cry before the first one Too lean.
I have watched a video yesterday that tried to explain (among others) the reason for people having a dessert stomach. It’s complex and they don’t mention all the reasons but had very good points. Allegedly something in our brain gets fed enough if we eat the same thing again and again. I have thought about carnivores and some other people who don’t seem to work like this… But I am like that, I need variety. Less so if I love my food, though. A really superb meat can cover my whole meal, even day, it’s extremely rare in my life but doable occasionally. I wouldn’t like that every day.
I can overeat protein very easily but if we talk about protein toxicity level, I hardly could do that day to day. First of all, my body is smarter than that. Going over 3.3g/kg is way too easy, even without trying (I know as I did that so many times while trying to keep my protein “low”) but around 4g/kg I automatically stop and if I am hungry, I desire fat instead. And next day I don’t go near it, probably so my average is always below 3.3g/kg.
I still want to minimize my protein for other reasons, I don’t worry about protein toxicity, my body handles it without my conscious effort.
Even in general, eating too much protein is pretty rare, people may have problems with the opposite. Probably less so on keto (except maybe if they undereat, it happens, it may be keto or just someone’s not woe related ED) but when one stuffs themselves with carbs and they happen to get satiated by that, low protein may happen. My body doesn’t care, no amount of sugar chases away my strong protein eating urge. It’s so great, my protein intake is always in its good range (on average, at least as I do have way too high protein days but they can’t cause problems sandwiched between more normal ones), no matter what (barred fasting days but I never have those nowadays). Once it dropped to adequate level when I avoided all animal products but it was before I discovered gluten.

Hm. I doubt I could repeat that 5 plant-based days, my body probably would lose its mind without meat for days… My mind would lose its mind too, probably as it always had some problems with depending on gluten too much… I surely won’t try it in the near future. I am getting ready for carnivore month experiments in November, January, February, March, April and May. Plus some stew, maybe. I am into stews now while I am not into just any lame roast… I may need some more complex and wet recipes. Stews are the best though. I don’t want a carni curry. I can’t imagine a chili without beans, we always made plant-based chili… But something with water and sour cream… I plan some organ+normal meat stews…

I put the leftovers (if any!) away for later.

I still like to roast enough meat for days… Even if I like freshly made fried meat better. But that is good later too and my pan can hold 2+ pounds and that’s for 2 days, at least… (Not all alone, of course, a pound of meat is a bit pitiful for me nowadays).
We always liked to make enough food for quite a few meals (the sides, desserts, soups and other things made sure there barely was a day without lots of cooking). It was more important when we used vegs and the cooking was very time consuming. But vegs aren’t satiating except legumes… Some carni stew sounds so, so much more useful

6pm, I am still satiated. Wow. It’s a coffee-y day and it’s fine. I run out of milk and opened a box of cream. Yum.

Doc couldn’t say anything useful but Alvaro didn’t went for help, just… Whatever it is called that he needs to show his workplace to prove he was sick. So he is at home this week. I told him to get well until tomorrow and he says he probably will. He doesn’t mix with sickness well. After his accident, splenectomy and whatever else they did, as soon as his mind cleared (4 days), he was walking up and down on stairs with his 17 broken bones (ribs and vertebrae) and he didn’t understand how on earth his Mom imagined not to do it. It was inevitable… He HATES being sick but I am like that too. And I have read that it’s a thing now that people stay in bed. Just to rest. All day or all weekend. What. I never stay in bed, not even when sick, I would be more sick that way… I don’t have sleep deprivation either but no one needs to SLEEP all day let alone all weekend. Breakfast in bed is super weird to me too but breakfast isn’t my thing to begin with… But eating in BED? I barely understand people eat in movie theaters! I go there to watch movies… I like to focus on my food. (I can watch movies and still enjoy peanuts but I shouldn’t eat peanuts. I didn’t have this with anything else.)

I can’t stop myself I will try harder. It’s pretty impossible when I come here tired, it’s so very nice to relax here.

Stupid headache. I drink another coffee, it will be only the 5th or something. By the way, I vaguely track my water intake now too. 3.5 liter for yesterday, it will be similar for today. But Alvaro came and drank a lot of my tea and I just don’t bother much with it.

And I got another, barely noticeable few second cramps. What should I blame now? Carbs? Not enough meat all the time? I mean, I have enough on most days but I had some lower-meat days lately. Maybe much water and my usual little sodium? Beats me. It’s almost nothing but I want to get enough of everything important. We will see if mostly carnivore months (with lots of meat this time, I never ate this much before) will solve it. But I may soak in Epsom salt now and then too…

They were reduced from £1.75 to 88p per 175g pack.

And you bring these super enviable prices again… I barely even could find mussels here let alone cheap ones (not like I like mussels but maybe there are better ones. the few I tried were meh without some tasty sauce. fun but I rather buy something cheaper and better). But I have wonderful smoked mackerel now so I am not as sad as usual regarding seafood I really want some new, fancier fish species for Christmas this year… So it will happen. And little shrimps too. No matter how expensive they are. It’s hard to justify them, they are fun but not as good as some great fish. Smoked mackerel is amazing, it’s kind of expensive (not steak level though, not even close) but super flavorful, I don’t need much.

[Karen18]

I always spend time pulling out the coily bit from inside the mussel. It isn’t in all of the mussels but i check each one because i just want a really enjoyable feast… not stopping every biteful and pulling that bit out of my mouth! Worth every check lol

[Shinita]

After a small dinner, I got hungry so I had a second dinner… Tracking says 614g meat and the vast majority of my calories (both protein and fat) came from meat. So, despite my problems with my roast, I had a meaty day. Yay!

Now I want to do it even better tomorrow… I don’t give up on a Simple Lunch, it is my goal since long and only very rarely happened this far. Just meat and eggs and little else, that should be possible even for me… Alvaro bought 30 eggs so I can eat wonderful big egg milks if I want… And yep, I do want to do it, those are the highlights of my days food wise now. Maybe even in general, I don’t have good days though I met a lovely little frog today and that’s always nice. A little brown one in the forest. Possibly an agile frog. The Hungarian name translates to “forest frog” and indeed, I always met it under trees. It can jump pretty high for its small body, it didn’t do it this time though. Okay, the frog wins. And the big spider yesterday… Sunday obviously was all about the birds. One day I will bring more photos.

[Naghite]

Dinner tonight

[Geezy56]

Dang @FrankoBear, that’s wild on several levels. I’m so glad you’re doing better. I hope you can figure out what happened.

Was a busy day so only had time for three eggs and some venison.

The next four days is going to be interesting and a heck of a test for me.
Tomorrow I’m meeting up with some other bikers in east Texas (Palestine) and then the next day we’re rolling in down the New Orleans for the weekend.
Eating is going to be a challenge I suppose so I may end up doing some fasting. The bigger challenge just might be the alcohol. Bikers like to drink and the last time I rode with this club I held my own. I figure I might catch a little grief but I can handle my own. I fully intend to stand strong on my eating and drinking.
@JJFiddle, I’ve been following your travel adventures for ideas so thank you for your posts.

[Karen18]

I have been 23 plus years alcohol free and don’t miss ot atall. It was a big problem in my life and needed to clear ot out of my system. Yes at first it was hard in social settings because of peer pressure and soon my social life lead into other directions where there was no pressure. I am now not keen on pubs or parties but that is the choice i made… for the better and being an introvert it was the best direction i could go in… no more anxiety attacks with dealing with too many people! I never did like parties. In fact one friend invited me put with some of her heavy drinking friends who thought i was going to be a bit of a party pooper but everyone kept saying they wanted a pint of what i was drinking… water! I out-danced all my daughters hen party girls in Dublin… my daughter asked me if i minded heading back to our appartment as they were all cream crackered

[Karen18]

Up stair running again… easier than yesterday which is good. I feel like the old me has returned… a lot more motivated and pushing through the cardio and leg barriers. Recieved my discharge letter from Stroke services. It is a bit glum reading that i am susceptable to further Strokes and stress , anxiety and tiredness will pre-dispose me to further Stroke-like viruses but it is what it is and better to know, knowledge is key to moving on.

Guess what i am doing this week?

Yep… kitty sitting Ren is playing with my screwed up receipts … they make a nice scratchy sound on the kitchen floor! Astrid enjoying some more food since polishing off the wet food i just gave her lol
Made sure I wore some scruff gear this morning after Ren was lying next to me last night, fell off the sofa (silly billy) and grabbed my knee with her paw… claws out i have some scars to prove it lol just don’t want her clawing my better clothes lol!

I returned home after spending an hour or two with them (read some books and updated my account book) and picked up some seabass and cold water prawns from lidl. So tasty, had some for brunch.

it seems to satisfy me better than salmon and i am favouring it over the salmon at this time. I just want to feel satiated without having to stuff 2 big rumps down!
I have a rumps for this evening… my daughter left note to take it from the fridge… i am sure she could have frozen it but she obviously wanted to offer it and it would be rude not to

[FrankoBear]

Went and tested the ticker with a wading session in the calm, clear water bay on the non-weather side of the cape.

Just a few dog walkers there and one jogger. It’s school holiday time. So, that is pretty busy.

The bait fish were jumping. But I was wading without a hook or line mission.

Home to lamb chops and two fried eggs and pan-fried halloumi. Now, I am painting. Chest pain has not returned.

[Karen18]

Filled yet another big heavy duty refuse sack for the charity shop… i have refuse sack full of hangers too! I can finally move some of the hangers along the pole in the wardrobe… not a lot but there is a little space now!

Got to carry on packing bags… will have to go on to nik naks me thinks! Got the ‘get rid’ bug so i need to carry on while i am feeling it lol! Maybe another 55years till i get it back

Dinner steak compliments of my daughter with king prawns and mussels. Lovely and filling, in fact i probably could have gone with 1 meal today as i wasn’t overly hungry but determined to continue eating dinner betwern 4 & 6… as I am kitty sitting i need to make it nearer 4pm this week.

2 more kitty pics … snuggly Ren and shy Astrid

[PaulL]

While I know that long-term carnivores advocate eating three meals a day, I found that yesterday I really didn’t want a third meal, and today I didn’t even think about food till after one o’clock.

Burgers again at this meal, and I must be hungry, because boy, do they taste really good! I put butter on them in lieu of ketchup, and even the butter is yummy.

[beannoise]

2.5g /BWkg/d.

Thinking about protein. When I run this through a calorie calculator, I reach this at around carnivore 1,150 calories. My protein choices are not particularly lean. I’m a small but muscular. I couldn’t carry Mr. Bean (Mr. Noise?) out of a burning forest… but I am pretty strong (He’s also tall).

I can easily add a couple ounce/ tablespoons of fat, putting me more in the 1400 range, which is probably fine for a rare inactive day.

So I guess my question really is… what happens if I regularly consume beyond the high end of this range? Should I fill in with fat? I never did well on Keto, I was always low carb/ high protein, but veggies and (apparently) dairy were clearly problems.

I am not diabetic or anything, although I do have multiple other autoimmune things going on. I’ve never really looked at the converting-protein-to-glucose thing because I always feel tired when I cut protein and I basically didn’t want to obsess over it. I think I’m carnivore for the long haul, though, so I want get this right.

Thoughts?

[robintemplin]

My favorite project is getting rid of “stuff”!
Makes my brain happy. I even love to help friends decluttered and organize.

[Karen18]

I can hoard just about anything and yes it does feel really good clearing stuff i had forgotten that i had stuff at the back of my wardrobe. When the bags have been sitting full for a couple of days i can’t even remember what i put in them! Almost everything came from a charity shop so i am truly recycling it