Deeper State Keto (90 Day Cut) - My Journey!


Ah, got it. Pretty cool! You’re one fit lady :slight_smile:

(What The Fast?!) #106

Ironically, I’d rather be moderately fit with about 8% less body fat…

(Lonnie Hedley) #107

I asked, because this was my hypothesis and it matches what I was thinking.

This however, only partially matches my hypothesis which was heavy leg workout could cause loss of lean mass in areas not as heavily worked out (body eating lean mass in other areas to build the area heavily being worked on?). The gain of fat is a confounding factor I don’t currently have any ideas about.

I solve problems for a living and have an incredibly hard time when I can’t find the solution. I’ll likely toss out some ideas later if they come into my mind. What color are your pee strips? :joy::rofl::joy::rofl:

(What The Fast?!) #108

But I do work upper body in Pilates classes…
I think the gain of fat may be due to stress?

I know you’re joking, but ironically, very dark. :slight_smile:


Have you explored the common sense keto approach? I don’t know much about it but your experience reminded me of what I read on the csk site. Basically, keep your calories at maintenance or higher, lower them too much and your body won’t release fat. It’s an interesting idea.

(KCKO, KCFO) #110


(Auden) #111

I read almost everything here. You are awesome! The only thing I didn’t see is sleep. I know this isn’t “science,” but maybe it will help…a girl on reddit said she was finally able to lose weight when she started sleeping 3 extra hours a night.

I’m reading everything I can now because I’m in a stall too. I assume you checked fasting insulin? That’s my next step.

(What The Fast?!) #112

Hiya! I sleep like a rock, I’ve always had fabulous sleep. :slight_smile: 7-9 hours a night. Yep, I have super low fasting insulin. I’m about to do a full thyroid work up to see if that helps.

(Auden) #113

Keep us posted!

(KCKO, KCFO) #114

You’ll get to the bottom of it one of these days, hang in there.

(What The Fast?!) #115

Thank you. :slight_smile:

I just listened to a podcast with Elle Russ, author of the The Paleo Thyroid Solution and decided to order the thyroid tests she suggested.
Free T3 & T4, Reverse T3, TSH, Thyroid antibodies and DHEA.

I don’t have all the thyroid symptoms, but figured it was a good place to start. I’m also making an appt with Dr Ken Berry, to see if he has any ideas.

(KCKO, KCFO) #116

This post is the definition of determination. All the best and I am interested in what Dr. Berry has to say for sure. I’ve been listening to his podcasts for a while now.


Too much magnesium loosens the stool for me. I can only have it every few days and, at nighttime as it puts me to sleep. But if I were to have magnesium three nights in a row straight I would have the most god awful cramps and stomach pain. Maybe you have the same issue? Just a thought. Love following your feedback and progress for DSK!

(KCKO, KCFO) #118

Andrea, how are things going? Are you near the burning areas of NV? Not sure how close those are to Vegas? That would be adding additional stress if you are. Hope you have something positive to report back soon.

(What The Fast?!) #119

Hey girl! I’m good - I got a full thyroid panel done and had an appointment with Dr Ken Berry to review. All the numbers looked pretty okay, so he suggested I get a hormone panel. I’ve done it before and my testosterone numbers were really low - I don’t know why I never looked into that further. I just went and got my blood drawn today and am looking forward to those results.

Because I have the MTHFR gene, I’ve also recently added a few things:
methylated B vitamins
choline supplement
daily creatine supplementation

I’ve made a few other changes as well… I am increasing my protein significantly - I realized that I might just have a higher need because of all my training. After listening to Ben Bickman and Ted Naiman, I don’t think added protein is going to hurt, and I’d rather err on the higher side. I have 100lbs of lean body mass and I work out 10-13 hours a week, so I’m currently taking in 115g. I also JUST changed my workout routine, I’ve added in 3-4 days a week of weight training (heavy) and have reduced my cycling to 2-3 days a week.

I’m also moving from heavy saturated fats to more unsaturated fats. My genetic testing showed that I process polyunsaturated fats better than monounsaturated or saturated. I thought that was really interesting!

Finally, I’m cutting out artificial sweeteners for awhile. I highly doubt I’m having an insulin response to them, because my BG doesn’t change when I use them, but I figure it’s one less variable so I’m taking them out. (I’m literally on day one of this…and it’s already hard!)

I know, it’s a lot of things to change at once, but I am determined to get results!!

PS I must not be near the burning areas because I don’t know anything about it! :slight_smile:

(Paula Green) #120

Always inspired by you and your willingness to try new things. I’m following you on Instagram now and love your daily updates.

I’ve been thinking a lot about what it is that I do that works and if I’m honest it’s keeping everything simple. Currently eating three meals a day of protein and salad/veg (lots of olive oil). Plus in the evening a small snack of cheese and nuts. No ketofied foods, no sweetners, no alcohol. I usually don’t have my first meal until around 11. However if I’m biking or running hard (parkrun on Saturday morning). I fuel that with a banana - it’s like rocket fuel when you don’t any other carbs.

I’m 5.3 and losing weight (slowly) on 2000 cals a day. I run, bike, swim and walk (I walk a lot and think this helps - low intensity movement). I’m 52 and around 130lbs. For years I sat around 140lbs and then I got more consistent with the simple real food. It seemed to work but it’s taken a while :slight_smile:

Sorry to write so much - but I talk to you in my head quite a lot lol! and I thought I should write it down. One other thing, I think the weight training will be very good for you, I look quite muscular for an old chick and I’m sure this is what helps me eat 2000 cals a day and lose weight. I recently had my resting metabolic rate tested at a metabolic facility and it says I can eat 2400 a day with the activity level I do so that does make sense. My RMR was 1450.

One other thing - if I eat 2000 cals of junk food (pretty rare, but it happens) I get puffy and bloated and hold water (weight). Real simple food is the way to go.

Keep up the good work - you are so interesting to follow and I hope you find what works for you.

(What The Fast?!) #121

Thanks! I love that you talk to me in your head! :rofl: Please talk to me foreal! What’s your insta name??

I am pretty simple with my foods too - bacon, eggs, meat, and spinach. The only veg I eat 90% of the time is spinach and cucumber. I have been doing fat bombs as part of the DSK program, but am cutting those out now, along with sweetener. As mentioned above, I’m also moving back towards olive oil rather than coconut to see if I respond better to unsaturated fats.

Do you know about what ratio your fat is, in terms of macros? I’m trying different amounts to see what works. DSK was 80% and I always had great ketone levels but I’m moving it down to 75% so I can get in more protein. I’m currently eating around 1900, will continue doing that unless I see a gain. Right now I’m averaging 151lbs, before and during DSK it was 149.5. I realize that doesn’t sound like a big deal, but the trend line moved up, which I don’t love. I assume it’s because of that lowered RMR from DSK. I’m maintaining the higher calorie level to increase it. I’m also doing 14-16 Hours of fasting (just water, coffee) daily.

I also want to try carb cycling a bit (like what you were talking about with the banana) but I’m so h hesitant to do so until I lose some weight. Last night I thought - okay, I’ll add some extra carbs today…and I ended up at 17 total for the day (which is high for me, but clearly not enough to be considered carb cycling, haha).

(Paula Green) #122

I would love to talk to you for real - I’ve been obsessed with nutrition my whole life and not many others share the passion. My instagram name is ‘gopaulagreen’ but I’ve only just joined and not posted much - nice picture of my bike though :slight_smile:

This year is the first year I have tried to trust myself and not count cals/fat/carbs but the last few weeks I have been keeping an eye on my calories, mainly because I want to drop a few pounds to help my running. At my height 3 or 4 pounds really does make a difference. Like I say, I’m still eating around 2000, I suspect when I don’t count it’s nearer 2500. Not sure of the macros I’m afraid - I might have a week of counting everything and let you know.

It has taken me 35 years to find a way of eating that has got me near goal weight. I’ve lived through the 1000 calorie low fat diet years and it didn’t work - well, in a way it did work because I never got really overweight but I felt like my whole life I was trying too hard for the results I got, which is what I think you feel. I always exercised (long distant triathlons and weight training) but never looked like the athlete I was. I think compared to most people I looked fine, but I didn’t look like someone who trained 15 hours a week and tried so hard - I know you get this!

Like I say. For me, keeping it simple, real food and also consistency - I never really go off the rails - certainly not like I used to back in the low cals days.

I’m saying this quietly, but for you with all your exercise I suspect a bit of carb cycling might work. I use bananas and cold potatoes for my carb energy. The good thing is that I’m not particular fussed by either food so mentally they are just fuel.

I think on another thread we talked about Chris Froome eating keto - well this past week I listened to a podcast of his latest fueling in the Giro and it was a carb fest! I thought of you when I listened to it :slight_smile:

I’m interested to see what your new blood tests reveal!


Paula and Andrea - you ladies are having a great convo on here and I’m very similar to you both in all that you’ve written - really enjoy reading your posts and hearing how it’s going!!
More protein and some carbs (bananas and cold sweet potatoes, coincidently) have made all the difference for me in the way of turning off hunger. Fat never did that for me. Higher protein helps, too. Let us know if you try it

(What The Fast?!) #124

Girl…This. Is. Everything. This sums everything up for me. Do I look okay? Sure. Do I look like the effort I’m putting in? Definitely not.