Can you do keto without coffee? Why not?


(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #113

Right, gotta be ever so careful. Everything we like is an addiction. Even life. :disappointed:


(Full Metal KETO AF) #114

Might we be talking my favorite cheese, Jarlsberg? :yum::cheese:

You can pry my coffee cup from my oxalate crippled hand if you can! :coffee: :cowboy_hat_face:


#115

Learning is addictive to.

Try not to sweep a generalisation over Dr. Ifland too quickly.

She’s also interviewed by Ivor Cummins. I’ve got a 3 hour commute today, so it may be a food addiction binge day.


#116

Are you in the shadows of the dark alleyway in a trench coat smelling of nutty Norwegian cheese with cramping coffee cup clutching fingers?

David we are truly evil talking about these trigger issues.

It must be our cry for help.


(Full Metal KETO AF) #117

While driving? Out there risking everyone’s lives? :scream::joy::joy::grin::cowboy_hat_face:


#118

Food addiction podcast binge day. :cheese:

The answer to your previous question is, ‘yes’. I’ve been working 14 hour days over the weekend and I could not control the cravings for coffee and dairy. Proof that I am an addict. I need talking back from the edge of the rind.

You ditched the heavy cream? So interesting what Dr. Ifland says about breaking addictions with the more addictions on board at the start, the harder it is to break them. Processed Carbs + Coffee + Dairy, for example. They team up with their sharp dopamine spikes to resist any changes.


(Full Metal KETO AF) #119

I think you’re being a leetle hard on yourself Franko. Maybe working 14 hour days is pushing it and your body knows what it needs to push through…

Caffeine and those magical fats!

I commend you sir for “listening to your body” and giving it the fuel it NEEDS. So no “talking back from the edge of the rind needed”, jump right in that creamy golden brown cup of manna from the creator of the universe and enjoy life! …just a little.

:cowboy_hat_face:


(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #120

When all you’ve got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. It is a sweeping generalization to claim that because some people have uncontrollable cravings for various food, therefore everyone does but just denies it.


#121

I’m about to come to US and shake you, shake you like the British nanny :joy:
Coffee is LOW in oxalates (high in histamine, though, due to fermentation), black and green teas are HIGH!!


(Eric - The patient needs to be patient!) #122

:laughing::laughing::laughing:


(Rebecca ) #123

I realize that this is an older topic, but I would still like to add my two cents! Could I do a Ketogenic Diet without coffee? Yes. The question is, do I WANT to do it without coffee? NO!!!:scream: I only have 10 oz each morning with 1 T heavy cream, 10 drops Stevia extract and 2 t MCT whipped in. That is all of the caffeine I have in a day ( I do not believe I am addicted to it). I enjoy every aspect of my coffee “time”. Making it, smelling it and then sipping it while I have my quiet, morning prayer time.
Edit: My son and I had a conversation once about the simple pleasures in life and we both agreed that good coffee is one of them!!


#124

If anyone is interested about me vs coffee… I doubt I will write anything really worth to read, just a bunch of personal facts, maybe it’s interesting for someone, I like to read about how people function differently.

I need to stop drinking coffee already… What am I drinking it? Some stupid old habit, probably.
I like the taste of it but I don’t need to drink it multiple times a day because of that.
Coffee has zero noticeable effect on me (just the water and warmth part) except some common helpfulness regarding output but it’s not like for some people who drink a coffee and poop. It’s some much weaker correlation. It was good for weak headaches when I was young with lots of headache, not anymore (but I almost never have a headache except sleep related and nothing helps then). So, I obviously drink coffee just before bed if I fancy it, it doesn’t matter.
I can’t stand bitter things but my coffee isn’t bitter (it’s almost always black but sometimes it has a few drops of heavy cream or 1-2 eggs, at least the yolks).
I only like instant coffee :slight_smile: Tea is where I have standards (though I am super choosy about coffee. it must NOT be bitter at all and it must be instant - or some expensive other type I don’t buy. cheap not instant coffee is bad, cheap instant is nice if I choose the right brand).

No idea if I am addicted. I am considering I drink lots of coffee every day. But if I run out, I just don’t drink it, no problem (not addicted then, it seems. I just drink it when I have it). I drink cocoa when I have no coffee, only with my meals though but I still have water and tea for the fasting part of the day.

I don’t believe coffee is particularly unhealthy but it seems unneeded.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #125

I’m not sure how coffee became an issue where a ketogenic diet is concerned. If someone who likes the taste doesn’t want the caffeine intake, there is decaffeinated coffee available that actually tastes decent, especially if you buy decaffeinated beans, and grind them yourself.

But caffeine cannot be the issue where coffee is concerned, because I have never heard anywhere that tea consumption has any effect whatsoever, when we are on a ketogenic diet. (Nor does anyone ever object to the caffeine content of chocolate, for that matter.) And despite my repeated challenges, no one has ever troubled to state exactly what chemical in coffee is supposed to cause the problem with a ketogenic diet. Or, depending on whom you read, provide the benefit to a ketogenic diet.

So, is there anyone willing to take up this challenge, or is this post going to sink without a trace, just as all my previous, similar posts have done?


(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #126

Not much science, and most of it superficially touched and apparently epidemiological. But an interesting overview of the discovery of the coffee bean and it’s invention as a beverage.


#127

Coffee is a chemical milieu.
We have established it is addictive.
We have established that the caffeine acts via biomimicry of adenosine in the brain thus blocking adenosine receptors and ‘blocking’ natural sleepiness.

Here is some new information from @collaroygal
It relates to how the roasted coffee beans are brewed (processed into a beverage)
It’s interesting information in light of elevated LDL response after coffee consumption as noted by Dave Feldman.
Diterpines effect liver function. Ketones are produced in the liver.

Interesting info on coffee's effect on cholesterol?

There’s still more to find out.


#128

Thank you for sharing your experience, I was buying the Starbucks Espresso blend (ground beans) at the market. After seeing your post, I decided to give a different brand of just medium roast coffee a try. I noticed that one large cup of coffee was all I felt I needed or wanted vs drinking half to 3/4 pot of the Starbucks…makes one consider that it may have been bumping my insulin more than desired :face_with_monocle:


(Full Metal KETO AF) #129

@BeStill The lighter the roast the, higher the caffeine. That’s why you’re satisfied on less medium roast I think. You get the same caffeine with less coffee. :cowboy_hat_face:


#130

:exploding_head: I had no idea lighter was more caffeinated lol, I thought the opposite…learned something new today :grin:


(Full Metal KETO AF) #131

The dark roasting process burns a lot of the caffeine. I drink espresso and I get much more wired from regular American coffee like in a restaurant. :cowboy_hat_face:


#132

Maybe that’s why I start vibrating after drinking a large tumbler with light roast or breakfast blend.