August-Palooza!

[Shinita]

I understand, I prefer to do it right myself (well, almost, carnivore-ish in my definition is perfectly fine. I keep it strict enough) especially that I can’t relax my ways too much, everything falls apart then. It’s a bit strange but while a “proper keto” is insanely restrictive, total impossible for me (but I will try. probably fail. I mean keto below 20g net carbs, with some plants. more than my super tiny amount) and my old keto was okay but still a bit restrictive, carnivore is easy as long as I have some meat (I could even skip spices and dairy if I had enough meat and the right kind, I just don’t see the point). At least for a while, I never could try it for longer. But animal products PLUS a little this and that, or carnivore with off days, it just becomes a mess right away. So I rather gather some supplies and do several days in row, it’s so much easier and better. Some people work well with the approach when they are strict TODAY, maybe relax tomorrow. I don’t. I like longer term things. If I can have something galore 1-2 days later, why should I totally restrict myself now? I probably couldn’t have done keto with some time limit either. I change my woe and that’s my default even if I stray sometimes. I know this all the time so it sinks in somehow…?

I only have magnesium deficiency cramps when I don’t have enough meat but then I have them for sure (I can’t get much magnesium from my food, I can’t do much about that). Another reason for carnivore and eating enough meat, I hate supplementing anything. No idea what happens with much meat and a significant amount of plants too, that style of eating avoided me and it makes zero sense to me now. If I have meat, why would I eat plants? If I want a lot of non-meat food, I have eggs for that.

[SecondBreakfast]

@VirginiaEdie … Those nuts 'll get ya! I love my PB , macadamia nuts, almonds, everything-seasoned cashews…yep. Had to say “bye for now” to the nut aisle. The carbs from those add up ridiculously fast.

As for supplements, I still have to take iron complex no matter what. I am anemic, and no matter how much red meat I eat, still have to take it. Now, I will say, that I have reduced the amount I take. Used to take 2-3 per day. I’m down to one. Still take zinc, cause, ya know, that virus thing. Once or twice a week, I’ll take Iodoral, and selenium. We have zero iodine/iodide and selenium in our local food sources, which is true for most of Michigan and Ohio (aka the Goiter Belt). So, I do it for maintenance. I used to be massively deficient. I stopped magnesium, potassium, calcium, and all the herbals.

I take creatine capsules sometimes before I work out, too. My son noticed my bulking biceps and triceps today. He’s like, 'wow, Mom. Nice… I gotta start working out again!" LOL! My short sleeves are getting a bit snug. =)

So, I really never buy beef at the store, unless its those tasty little beef sticks at Walgreens, or the Shorty Sausages. But, I was at our local store last night after work, and they had corned beef on sale. Dagnabbit, I can’t resist a good sale on corned beef, even if its not grass fed. So I bought a couple. Think I’mma gonna cook them up, and nibble for dinner. Getting started late though, as I have been doing housework and running errands all day. Got some dry canning done, which makes me happy. Got the meatysagna made to cut up and freeze, which makes me super happy. And, corned beef will be the beefy icing on my meatcake! LOL!

[FrankoBear]

I have been reading about the ‘carnivore natural setpoint’ and what it takes to get here and I think my body finally releasing good but small amts of weight while eating so well is all about me being at a new setpoint and internal healing thru hormones and more. I feel ‘very balanced’ inside if one can feel that

I am learning. Slowly things sink in. The way to lose unwanted body fat which is an energy storage response is to feed one’s body all the nutrients it needs. One must be well fed to lose body fat. It seems so dang logical when typing it out. If the body is not well fed, the response is to put food taken in into storage because things ain’t right (the poorly fed state). When a body is well fed and nutrients are ample there is no need to store, survival is in hand, the body can afford to use (and lose) the excess stored body fat.

It is anathema to think that deprivation and not feeding oneself properly will convince a survival system to let go of food stores.

[Shinita]

Everyone slims down when starving for a long enough time though… Or die trying. The energy must come from somewhere. And if I eat enough to cover my energy expenses, my body never will release the precious fat reserves… Okay, I didn’t try it on carnivore, only on keto and low-carb and high-carb. I stalled forever.

But I don’t want to argue here, I just couldn’t resist.

Sure, eating too little is contraproductive (I don’t mean they won’t lose fat, just that they slow down their metabolism, in some cases, quite seriously so they actually have problems with losing fat. not like it matters IMO while starving themselves, OMG) and unhealthy, even people using just calorie restriction to lose fat know that, at least the more knowledgeable ones. The calorie counting site I use always stresses eating beyond our BMR… I have no idea about it but I never cared anyway, me and undereating, lol, fat chance. At least it was the case in the past.

I still don’t care, I try to enjoy my low-calorie days until they last. My body won’t let me starve myself and it’s borderline impossible with my tiny energy need anyway (and I basically eat as much as I can, it would be forceful to eat more and I don’t do that).
I never ever ate this little (fasts don’t count). It seems that no matter what, my calories stay low now, it’s new and very unusual, I had very sure ways to eat much more and they fail too. I don’t feel broken so I guess my body knows it has enough reserves to pull it off.
Or I will go back to having the odd high-calorie days again, who knows? They feel safe. But I never had them on carnivore and I never keep myself from eating, I rarely wait until hunger, I often eat as much as I just can… Maintenance calories happened once. What would happen on longer-term carnivore, I wonder… I would slim down and eat normally afterwards? My body would get used to the things and I would stall as always (no, without the interference of carbs I get satiated way better than that. I probably would lose fat slowly)?
It would be nice to figure out soon.

(Low is still more than what some women with my stats eat for a healthy fat-loss, I am me.)

Of course, this whole topic is very very complex, we can’t simplify it very much. I see this as the problem between people with drastically different beliefs and experiences. Both side may have very good, true points but the result is complex and may be very individual. Some unlucky folks respond with starvation actions even if they eat a tad less than their energy need. And it seems, some people really lose fat while eating a ton even for themselves. I don’t get that but there must be some explanation. I am glad if I have some hunch about how my own body works but I can’t control my calories very much anyway.

[Fangs]

I am learning. Slowly things sink in.

well that is how it was for me about why zc works so well truly. In that the key to losing weight is all about never losing muscle mass while doing it. Like you said a well nourished and healed body will give up little lbs as it needs easily just like you said.

When one undereats or ‘controls’ or ‘manipulates’ their food intake so tightly we know from so many people’s past experiences these ‘dieting tricks’ are just a mess for most of us. We starve down the scale. We fast and want food. We eat less nutrition packed foods like from the plant world. So everyone can lose lbs…it is all about how do you want to go about losing them? For me it was always a race so any trick/tip/control I did was all about 1 darn lb off the scale. When I flipped to heal the internal body and let the body drop weight on its own, when it deems it is time thru zc…I found a better truthful balance of what it takes to lose weight and at the same time get that stellar healing internal situation working for me.

It boils down to a healthy body that is balanced will give results from everything we want in giving weight loss and resetting back to a natural weight and also we get joint benefits and all that jazz.

One reason we say on zc is eat. Food is not just this fuel ya know, but it truly is life and balance. It can uplift anyone if the nutrition is given.
Which is why when the body says it is hungry, you eat and eat well You know that is a point I always loved about zc. I get to eat LOL

[Fangs]

Interesting stuff to read on the board!

yesterday food was

1 lb. ribeye steak
1/2 lb. cheeseburger patty
1 tin of sardines

Just cruising along doing zc and loving it

Feel wonderful…but darn if I didn’t slide on the wet grass heading out to clean the pool and jacked up my knee a bit. To not fall, I shifted around and twang’d the old knee. Now I am gimping around ugh. Always something I guess

Today is simple. Big clouds around with storms still.
So today is little this and that in chores and for food I am gearing at a nice steak and chicken. Maybe throw in some shrimp into a meal too.

August is chugging along. Hold our zc ways and get all the great benefits!

[Polly1]

Ouch! Sorry to hear you have injured your knee.

[Fangs]

thanks!! it was just that stupid slip in wet grass, but as my hubby says, it is far from my heart so I will survive LOL
I gotta say I am limping around so a few Ibuprofens later when I eat. I can’t take those suckers on an empty tummy but I am sure that will help it alot and doesn’t feel long term ya know so hopefully a super fast recover on it. Older I get I just don’t bounce back up as fast as before…heehee

[SecondBreakfast]

Oh, @Fangs ! I’m so sorry to hear about your knee!!! I feel your pain…coming from a veteran of 5 knee operations, here. Wet grass poses a clandestine threat to some of us who aren’t so agile anymore. I totally get that!
Lemme tell ya, though… being on ZC carnivore is the single, most bestest thing you can do for yourself now. Not only are you continuing to chisel away at the pounds, but, you are eating zero inflammatory foods now. That helped rid me of more knee pain than the horsepill Ibuprofen and cortizone shots I took early on. AAAAaand…carnivore makes the tummy happy (unlike ibuprofen).

Any idea what part of the knee got injured? ACL, PCL, medial or lateral meniscus, etc.? My recollection is ice 20 min. wait a bit. heat 20 min, repeat. Soak in Epsom salts, elevate, and rest it. (My FIL swears by his Blue Emu cream.) I sure hope it heals up quickly, and you aren’t in a horrible amount of pain.

Its pouring rain here for the day, and part of tomorrow. We got all of the hay in barns, now - so its okay. Hubby and son #3 are on their way to the middle of Wisconsin to buy a car. A 350Z is NOT the ideal car for our winter weather. BUT, the kid has worked hard, saved 8K, and found a used one pre-2004 0 which has the better engine, so, he’s buying it. He still needs a winter beater car/truck, as he starts back to work next week at the ski hill. There is so much ground work, repairs and equipment maintenance that needs to be done- he will likely work more than 40hrs/wk. So, he will have some greenery available to buy another car before the snow hits.

Made both of the corned beef briskets last evening. Nibbled like I said I would, and got hubby to join in. Why he has to eat everything with bread is beyond me. But, whatever. My one daughter is up north camping with friends, and the other one is working away from home until Monday. So, me and Rufus are chillin’ in the recliner with some coffee and rawhide. (I have the coffee.) I love my doggie! Going to pound away at some housework, and head off to work around 3pm. Got a late one tonight, so, I am going to bring beef, and more beef to work for nom noms.

I hope you all have a wonderful ZC day, and feel better soon, Fangsy!!! HUGS!!!

[VirginiaEdie]

We need a refrigerator update @SecondBreakfast.

[SecondBreakfast]

LOL! Okay.
Well, LG is one messed up, very compartmentalized organization. The very first man I spoke with in “customer service” told me that they’d file a claim, and I have a new fridge in week. That was around the 3rd week of June. From that point, I’ve dealt with no less than 10 people. Yep. 10. The point where the tide finally turned was when I found the email address for the President of LG posted on a consumer advocacy website, and shot off a politely scathing email regarding the astounding lack of consistency and actual customer-focused service. From that point, I started dealing with a pretty competent lady who was able to get a new claim filed, and helped me figure out how to fast track the process. The person I’m dealing with via texting from LG went so far as to contact my dealer, get the right information, and is sending me the tags I need to place on the fridge and photograph it to assure legitimacy. I am currently waiting for those RA tags. The refund isn’t even close to what I had calculated from my invoice. So, not to be an a-hole, but I requested LG send me a copy of the invoice THEY are working from, so I can rectify the refund discrepancy. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

IN THE MEANTIME…this is where it gets weird… I got a call yesterday afternoon from some other guy in the “LG back office”, informing me that I need to send in yet ANOTHER proof of purchase. (WTF, I know.) I explained that the claim had been re-filed by the presidential liason, with a new case number. I explained that the invoice was already sent in and was in my file already. He said nope I need to send in another one. I ask for the case number he had. This is an altogether different number from any of the other numbers I’ve had since June 8. Now, this could be related to the filing of the food spoilage claim which was around $300. But, another LG rep had offered me another $250 for “my troubles”. IDK. This company is so messed up.

What I struggle with the most is comprehending how a company the size of LG, with vast resources at their fingertips, can be so inept when handling a simple claim. The number of people and departments I’ve had to deal with mind boggling. Ponder this: Their service department has no records of my serviceman - an LG serviceman - ordering parts, and making a total of 6 visits to my house in 2.5 years. Nothing. The packages the parts arrived were sent via UPS from LG. How do they not have records?? They sent the parts!!!
Customer service has no records of anything. How are these departments not able communicate with one another? Certainly LG has an IT dept that can enable communication between depts. This is not a Covid related issue. This is a poorly run company. Period.

There are companies much smaller than LG with only a fraction of the resources available to them as opposed what LG has - that provide better problem solving and customer service help throughout this whole virus episode. The ONLY thing that makes one iota of sense is that LG is doing this on purpose, in hopes that customers will just give up their claim to a refund. Assinine? Yes. Conceivable? Yes. Probable? I hope not, but it is possible.

And ya wanna know the first time they offered even a hint of finding an alternate cooling unit for me? July 30. The fridge died on June 8. Figure that one out. It took 52 days for LG to get their repair team to contact me, and see if I needed an emergency refrigeration unit. 52 days. How that company is still in business exceeds my mind’s ability to comprehend.

So I am waiting for tags to arrive in the snail mail, which I need to place on the fridge by the serial number and model number, then photograph and send in. This prevents fraud, I suppose. From there, they send me a check. Whew.

[FrankoBear]

When one undereats or ‘controls’ or ‘manipulates’ their food intake so tightly we know from so many people’s past experiences these ‘dieting tricks’ are just a mess for most of us. We starve down the scale. We fast and want food. We eat less nutrition packed foods like from the plant world.

Undernourished obesity is one result.

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“Storm Omelette” - a zero carb poem -

I love a storm born omelette, A morning of sweeping rains
A pan of spitting bacon bits, eggs scrambled beard fat stains
I love her cheddar horizons, I love her butter sea
Her bubbling, hissing attitude, Finally the satiety

It’s a raining winter storm Sunday morning here. I cooked an egg, bacon and cheese omelette on the wood stove. The good lady Mama Bear has off to work (waitress) leaving Billie (pup) and me snug in our little off-grid home. I feel satisfied with my nutritious meal and content with my life. Storms rage outside. But we prepared for that.

[Fangs]

SB your fridge story is epic and just thru the roof one of the most annoying customer service things one ever had to deal with! holy moly.

on the knee it is super better and I have no idea of knee parts LOL You having 5 knee operations, omgosh I can’t even imagine at all on that SB!

Undernourished obesity is one result.

Absolutely. Extra fat on the body is a symptom of a unhealthy body…it is a direct result of a body out of whack. Thru food choices. Thru hormones unbalanced. Thru unhealthy guts and other organs and in the end, we are what we eat and that holds big truths.

I love your pic of your ‘poet omelet’ and your Billie knows that is her omelet in the pan right? HAHA

fun post FB…hey we got SB and FB happening here cool

---------------yesterday food was

6 oz beef tenderloin
10 link sausage
1/3 lb cheeseburger
1 tin sardines
a few pork ribs…only a few, family attacked and wanted so I respectively backed away cause I could have eaten the rack but they dived on them so I kept quiet and let them have 'em. I made what I thought was a huge rack but when everyone wants ribs, that rack got smaller and smaller, ya know HAHA So I added a tin of sardines and did fine.

now I woke up hungry tho and will be eating well today.

ZC is going fine. All well. Feeling fab. Just doing my thing. Only way to get great results longer term that many zc people get and other’s want, is STAY on PLAN, everyday, any way, all the way Great things come to carnivores!! We just need a full on lifestyle and a whole new you emerges…with time!!

[Bubby1]

Hi people!! Sorry but I’m bored in hospital. And I thought I would come here. Poor souls.. I’m off my head on fentanyl so excuse the madness within ( but then I’m already quite odd without drugs ). I must remember on on a CARNI thread so speaking about food and good yummy meat!!! Mmmmmmm. Sounds SO damn good. I was nill by mouth until today. Now I get hot water in a cup with a beef stock cube in it…and um…Very very sugar filled fluro jelly.. But I was hungry so whatever. Lol. At least the stock cube has the word “beef” in it.. What would I eat right now if I could??? Probably roast beef. Yum!!! Or lamb with the pink meat all tender.. Food is fun right now. When I can’t eat I think of foods and look at food. Food porn. …Am I allowed to say that P w o rd on here?? It sounds perverted. But it’s a thing…it just means looking at food and enjoying it.. I’m an idiot. I am thirsty. But hydrated. Icecubes are nice.. I’m ok. I’m making an ABSOLUTE fool of myself so I’ll go. Sorry.

[Polly1]

Sorry to hear you are in hospital @Bubby1. Hope you are better soon. Food sounds dismal. How do they expect people to get better on that sort of diet?

[Fangs]

but I’m bored in hospital. And I thought I would come here. Poor souls

LOL, but no poor souls, I am glad you reached out. No idea you were in hospital and I am so sorry you are going thru all this.

I assume it is your tummy…that bad stomach situation going down for you?

I wish you nothing but the best of the best and a super great recovery B!!!

I know in hosp. we are stuck on food but you can voice what you will only eat and they will feed ya you know if you demand. I would demand. But if your tummy I again, assume, you are not allowed ‘heavy’ food or something like that so I just don’t know.

Ahhh, B you take care of you please my friend!!! HUGS!!!

[Bubby1]

@Fangs Hi fangsy. Yeah it’s my tummy. Didn’t wanna go into detail but oh well. It was a bad ulcer and my stomach internally bleeding. I ignored it for AGES cos I didn’t wanna go to hospital but the other day… I woke and something felt very very wrong. I thought I was gonna die. . So it took me most of the day to get the courage to dial for an ambulance. I was FREAKED!!!. No I’m Not allowed normal food. Not at the moment. Too heavy on stomach. But they want me to drink these awful sugar filled calorie rich shakes for weight gain. . I said I don’t want to and they said I have to. And if I don’t I’ll get a tube in my nose. Soooooo…I can’t do Carni right now. So I feel very bad for being here.. Your sweet Fangsy. I am on antibiotics and stomach lining stuff they inject in me to strengthen my gut. It’s not fun but hey…Free Drugs.. Fentanyl is kick ass AND I get endone ( morphine pill) too. So at least I’m not gonna die now. They said it was VERY much about to burst and because of my history, I wouldn’t have survived. Fuck that shit…I’m 31. Still toooooo much to DO!!! Oh no…I swore…oh well.. I come here cos you are all lovely AND I get to think of yummy Carni foods..

[Bubby1]

@Polly1 Thankyou.. They have their reasons. They just want me to get more calories. 2500 . That’s a LOT. It’s ridiculously unrealistic. Oh well. But as soon as I’m HOME…I’m back to Carni. I can nod my head and agree and then do my own thing.. To an extent.

[Bubby1]

I can’t WAIT until I am home and can make really ugly looking meals and torture you all with the pics. ( I’m a horrible person. Lol). Making a fool of myself?? What am I TALKING about!!! I been on here 7 months and very much have made a fool of myself on MANY occasions. Swearing, especially on the humor thread. So whatever.. And on drugs I’m even more batty.. ( nope I won’t analyse the damn bat, behave Amy you idiot). Sorry.

[Shinita]

No idea how doctors think… One needs calories, some fat and protein. WHY sugar especially for someone who feels that a burden?
I wish an amazingly quick healing, Amy, to get out of that bad though now useful place as soon as possible!!! Back to meat and eggs and whatnots

Hi guys, I still couldn’t get pork, way too hot for me to do the long cycling for it… But I am fine. I don’t feel any desire to eat anything anyway. But I do what I can, I focus on protein (and that drags some more stuff into my life, fat is always a given), just being off carni didn’t make carbs any more tempting but some can’t be avoided. Things probably will get solved eventually, I feel quite fine now and it’s not like I starve at this point. Experiment time, I never had these unusual circumstances! I feel this state relevant, my new woe always have the potential to change my off days as well. Keto did it too but not nearly to this extent. For some reason, the stable presence of carbs kept me from big enough changes.