Interesting. We will see what happens when I actually will have enough meat but for now… Hunger is nowhere to found. Plants interfere with my satiation, it seems, not a big surprise here, I knew they can’t satiate me well. My hunger already was soft and usually non-existent before (but as I always ate much enough, it’s not very surprising) but now… I can’t even eat a big meal, I am so easily satiated without a significant amount of plants! Quickly and way more thoroughly. I bring up my calories with a second meal but I don’t really feel hunger when I do so or just a subtle one, I just know I ate little and I try to avoid that, it never ended well before.
I am way too satiated right now. I ate about 17 hours ago. I am better though. It wasn’t very bad but I am not used to any nausea so it annoyed me (and I had headache too. I did too many things wrong, lack of fresh air, too much sleep, of course I had it and no pills help in those cases. but those definitely couldn’t cause my nausea, it is diet related for sure).
Another Carnivore Thread
Thank you, you are very nice, again. That’s why I am here the most (and my interest and plan and there are the others too, this bunch is just charming almost all the time and I love peaceful talking. We don’t need to agree but we can discuss things like peaceful intelligent individuals. I am very passionate about things and I have have my opinion and I tend to write it down, I surely have a temper, it’s no surprise I am a Fire-Dragon in Chinese horoscope if someone really knows me but I still don’t like fights, it’s not enjoyable for my hedonistic self. Maybe a tiny bit once in the blue moon but this topic is my relaxing place or something).
I need to go cooking now. Have a nice day, everyone!
During adaptation I would get weird spells of nausea, too. They didn’t last last long and now I feel great.
I seem to be gravitating towards one big meal a day. I last ate around 19 hours ago and am still not hungry. I packed plenty of beef and 5 eggs to work and that will probably cover today.
The salt thing is interesting to me now. I have not been adding salt and still feel fabulous, even when I run. Maybe some of it is acculturation, maybe some of it is needing salt more if you eat vegetables. Not sure but it really interests me.
I used to drink coffee all day long, but once I quit smoking, I only kept my morning ritual coffee. I was thinking about dropping coffee for a while, but I still love it so…
Writing out thoughts is nice, it’s your own tracking method 
This is a safe place where you can share and write as much as you’d like
I don’t see coffee as a problem. I quit tobacco years ago because I could not stand the thought of being slave to a substance, especially one that kills you. Totally personal thing on quitting caffeine as it’s a substance, yes, but it’s not killing you every time you imbibe and it’s not that hard to quit.
@Shinita, If you were vegetarian for many years, you may have a lot of oxalate stored in your body, and now that you have removed the vegetables you could be experiencing oxalate dumping. You may want to do some research on oxalates. There are some threadS here on the forum that discuss them.
My morning coffee is something I look forward to when I go to bed 
The ritual part would be very hard to kick, what would I do in the mornings 
And I do love the taste of coffee…
Ill go make myself a cup
I drank one for me and one for you I like it black with a little cold water, americano style
Hey there, lovely carnivore people!!!
@barefootbob … that is awesome! No monkey on your back! I read that post, and swear I could hear Aretha belting out “Freedom” in the background. Way to go. I’ve been going longer and longer without coffee, and thus far no headaches…which is really odd. I’m just so encouraged by your posts and results that I am striving to make it happen sooner than I thought. Part of it is just the sensation of having a hot cup of somthin’ in the morning, and the other part is the taste that I enjoy so much. I’m going to try subbing in some decaf, and ease into it. I fear the blistering headaches that I experienced before, so, it needs to be done carefully. But here we go!
@Shinita… Keep writing and posting!! I love reading about your experiences! And, this way, if you’re having issues- like nausea - the great folks here can give you some ideas about causes and solutions. Seriously, you’re amazing in how you can articulate everything so well, and readers get what you’re saying. On that note, I had some nausea moments too (and still do.) Fasting seemed to help me the most. Water, electrolytes, and then just nibbling on some steak -gradually - helps me through. I totally agree with @VirginiaEdie …and the possibility of a large oxyalate dump occuring. It hadn’t occurred to me before, but, wow…after watching a couple videos on oxyalates, that is entirely possible.
As for the snowy life up here, it’s quiet and peaceful now. No impending storms, and while we did have alot of brown-outs at our house, we did not experience a black-out. Others around us lost power for 3-4 days, due to the high winds and heavy snow from the last couple of storms. We’ve got around 32-26 inches on the ground now. Had yesterday off work, so I spent it mostly indoors cleaning, helping my daughter with her stats paper, calculating beef orders, and cooking my chuck roast. It was delish, but I didn’t eat much as I just wasn’t all that hungry. Gotta work at 1pm today, so, going to finish a few projects in the workshop, and put away the laundry. Cooking a ribeye to take to work in the event that I get hungry.
You all have a fabulous day and feel great!!!
I often ate once in the last year but now, using all that fatty animal protein without vegetables? I just can’t eat so much. I needed unsatiating plant food to eat enough on OMAD and even so, I couldn’t do it long term. So I eat twice now. But I don’t eat carnivore yet. Today was my first dirty carnivore day I guess but with very little meat (I just felt unwell and continued elimination without waiting for my beef. I was brave and ate from my smoked pork despite I don’t desire it, I want my awesome pork chuck back). I decided I will grab some chicken liver or whatever next time I see some, I eat a little cheese from nor proper sources already and it will be a single occurrance! I need variety and the amount of meat is miserable too. But I quite enjoy my food.
I forgot to measure my salt intake, I am curious. It surely drops without plants and I already ate little. Some soup can change this and I love soups. It is normal to eat soup for lunch here, I ate it every day as a kid, maybe I mentioned it already.
Of course, I almost always ate a vegetable soup (it evolved on keto and reached its simplest form just now. now it’s basically flavored fatty water with lots of poached eggs. It is my onion soup, by the way so it has onions and garlic but some carnivores surely eat more of them. I used a little for the whole soup and ate very little soup with lots of eggs (and I totally won’t do this on my carnivore trial, it will be short but strict I imagine). The soup is just a nice way to have water and eat my eggs with some kind of condiment And something for my SO, he always get his own big vegetable pieces because he always complains when the vegetable soup contains close to no vegetables. His veggie soup is lots of veggies - potatoes are a must - with a tiny bit of water, I already told him a soup is supposed to be quite wet. I prefer lots of water, some fat, spice and some vegetables. I always loved the liquid part of soups the most. That’s why we just eat my onion soup that is mostly water and eggs nowadays, at least I cook those and he cooks cabbage soup that is almost solid and has his precious potatoes in it.
I am hopeful thinking about my future beef ribs, maybe that will be a common ground for soups.
Soup from animals (how should I say this? we call it meat/bone soup) is special, I found it unrealistically satiating several times even just the clear, fatty water part. It doesn’t make sense, only lots of calories and enough protein satiates me normally. That kind of soup is magic.
I think I finished for today. 2 meals and some more bites. 1000 kcal (a small meal in my world normally), I can’t eat more (it obviously won’t continue for long). <10g ch, it’s so surreal. I walked today, fresh air and light exercise, I expect I will feel better now.
I will read about it. Not like I worry, I am the polar opposite of a hipochonder Or that is someone who thinks they can get away with a bad lifestyle? I don’t think that. I am sure I am healthy with mostly good genetics and I will never be seriously sick, not even after I will be 120 years old, I imagine my immune system is near perfect and I have a gardian angel too - but I know I need a good lifestyle to ensure my long term health and even if I don’t get actually sick, I can have other problems, bad mood, low energy level, whatever.
I am not a vegetarian since long, just very very close to it but maybe my serious peanut addiction in the last years didn’t help.
One benefit I expect from even a short period of carnivore is that I stop eating peanuts so often. I ate them each and every day and if I wasn’t in control, a lot (considering I usually couldn’t afford the calories, they never satiated me, I didn’t need them and my body started to give me subtle warning signs. it wasn’t really very much). And a lot felt not good. It’s my SO who often ate 250g and called it a meal without a problem. I ate a fragment of it and it wasn’t quite right. And anyway, I don’t want to be addicted to certain things. Water, fresh air, some freedom, internet, eggs, fat, cocoa, that’s cool but peanuts and coffee, seriously… (It’s not a super strong or real addiction, no coffee or peanuts for a week is fine as long as there is none around me. I immediately drink cocoa if I can’t have coffee though but as I don’t want to live without cocoa for long, that doesn’t bother me.)
Making soup from a bone broth base may help with keeping micronutrients such as minerals adequate while eating carnivore.
Keeping a food log and actually tracking energy and nutrient intake when having symptoms like nausea may be a good way to tweak the inputs.
5 things that come to mind from what you describe with nausea and low appetite are:
- unwell due to bacterial causes, possibly an infection (fever?), likely a gut biome change, possibly increased absorption of lipopolysaccharides from bacterial die off in the gut (other gut signs?)
- as per @Fangs, reduction in body fat releases stored toxins that require flushing out**
- low grade kidney problems, the body filters not working optimally**
- as per @VirginiaEdie oxalate dumping ( a specific accumulated organic acid toxin) resulting in mineral depletion and tissue damage
- not eating enough
** dehydration
It’s a good idea to investigate.
Thank you guys for trying to figure out, I didn’t expect this and I am sorry I mention every little thing like my nausea (while not even eating carnivore yet but it’s interesting to get closer, it’s so different!), I don’t think it’s worth to think too much about it at this point, it was only one day and I had it even more subtly before but most people have bigger problems all the time, I’m just very used to feeling okay unless I eat wrong.
I am sure I eat and drink enough (I eat as much as I comfortably can using multiple meals and it’s just a bit below my energy need, I had such times before), my fat intake is normal but I eliminated various suspects so we will see.
Interesting thing that I don’t get bored of my food like before when variety was way greater and I still needed tricks sometimes. Not so long ago scrambled eggs/sunny side ups were boring (and I had the option to include various vegetables, raw and fried, colorful… I like colorful food) but now they taste great and not boring at all. Even when I don’t add any little meat (I often do but it wasn’t the case today except one egg and they were still amazing. I only felt that before when I was really hungry but it wasn’t the case now). I have the simplest dishes now and they work.
I know I barely tried yet but I still see noticeable changes. I need the most help with my too complicated diet and stupid little addictions and being bored with my food therefore the previous ones got reinforced. I don’t necessarily want big changes in my body, I think I just need to eliminate or minimize a few things to feel even better. But I want a simpler diet and more freedom for sure.
Low-carb helped a lot but not enough. Keto helped more but not enough. OMAD was an interesting and logical idea, no regrets at all but it wasn’t quite right, things couldn’t happen naturally, automatically and I don’t want to control myself consciously and think and tweak a lot, a good diet should be way simpler than that and effortless too, in my world at least. Low-carb and keto were great steps into this direction.
Actually, it was logical going lower with my carbs is a good idea, I always planned to do that but I did it very consciously, trying to squeeze my everything into a smaller carb limit (and I am bad with following my plans when I get tempted to do something else. very bad). I put so many efforts into that… In vain.
It turned out skipping vegetables solves things quite quickly without efforts but I had to be ready for that, I was extremely attached to my vegetables and could’t imagine not eating them for a whole day (or meal) even when I only ate very little of them, years after I first went keto. It was gradual with an experimental jump in the end. I can’t rush things. I had a time (not even long ago) when I ate a very small amount of vegetables because I didn’t want more and something in me missed them and it messed things up. I was careful to eat my modest amount of veggies afterwards. I don’t have that problem now for some reason.
I have too much thoughts now and I usually have enough sigh. I stop and wait for more data I guess, I shouldn’t be too excited having something for a short time, it means barely anything. I am easily excitable and I trying to find my way since ages, it was so long and tiresome sometimes (even if fun and interesting too)… I got close but it wasn’t complete and I sometimes mess things up. That’s not good enough.
Yes, I found that the simpler I ate the more I enjoyed simple food. Frankly, I eat mostly beef, and want… mostly beef.
This is what happened with me. I loved Keto but it didn’t quite get me where I wanted to be.
My giving up vegetables turned out to be a mental thing. Now I have no desire to eat them. Last time I went from carnivore back to keto was because I missed fermented vegetables. Now, I think I’m fine without them.
That’s called being human. Go easy on yourself.
@SecondBreakfast, where are you located that you got 26-32 inches snow? I’m in the Stevens Point area and we only have about 2-3 inches. Are you a fellow Cheesehead?
Nah, I’m a Yooper (transplant from Detroit.) Nearest recognizable location is Michigan Tech. We’re in an elevated area, on the Keweenaw Penninsula, inland a couple miles from Lake Superior. The snow is usually a few more inches here than our relatives get down the hill a couple miles. And, we are at the top of a hill - very exposed to the high winds. Its nothing short of a miracle that we didn’t lose power during the last big storm.
Not a Cheesehead in terms of football…ever. But, I do love cheese!