Another Carnivore Thread

(Full Metal KETO AF) #361

FIFY we are apex predators. Pretty much any animal was game. Although lots of them are protected now many were legitimate primal food sources. :cowboy_hat_face:

(Mame) #362

I never paid attention to this recommendation as most days i cannot possibly stuff that much meat into me. Even ribeye and I love steak.
However I would not restrict the amount of meat either.

#363

Hmmm…interesting time to check back in. Apparently I missed the ruckus the other day totally derailing a very interesting carnivore thread and getting it shut down. :slightly_frowning_face:
Hope this doesn’t continue. I’d hate to have to go back to facebook to have some community support.

Anyway, things are going well. I’m on day 3 of decaf only coffee with no negative issues at all; really none. Last weekend I made a cup of half regular half decaf, then the next couple days just had half cup regular, the day after I drank only half or a little more of that half cup. The next day (Wednesday, I think) I just went plain decaf, no headache or grumpiness.
Sleep continues to be the best I’ve had in years. I have the kids this weekend so not sure if I’ll be able to pull off a long run but I’m hoping to see if I can get in a 6 or 7 miler.
Hope you all have been doing well.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #364

I guess I missed it too Bob, what was it about? Was it the carnivores have to quit telling people not to eat veggies thread? It went on for a while and then I quit getting it on my feed. I noticed Bob never commented after his initial rant. I think you should stick around, sometimes it’s necessary to put people in their place or challenge the BS. I thought you handled that well. :cowboy_hat_face:

#365

Nah, there was a ruckus on the oxylate thread, which was too bad because that’s a very interesting topic. It got nasty enough that Peta Marie shut the thread down.

I plan to stick around, just hoping the local anti-carnivores don’t get their pitchforks out and run us off.

#366

No, I doubt this but heck I don’t know. Maybe someone might react like that :slight_smile: Dropping 100 kcals of plants don’t mean much to me in the big scheme of things.

Ahhhh, ha I never said that.

Carnivores ‘fast’ all the time. Most of us do.

What I said was never do a ‘planned scheduled forced IF’ type deal.

In other words never plan a IF day. There is no planned anything.

A carnivore will ‘fast’ naturally. Just not eat cause they are not hungry but we never do it on purpose. We follow our hunger.

A pride of lions will never intentionally ‘fast’ past their hunger level and they hunt when hunger hits and eat well…then thru natural process they don’t eat again til hungry. That is what we do.

A lion would never say…I will only have an eating window of 12pm to 7pm each day…if I kill nothing during that time I won’t eat. Now if I can kill an antelope at 10am…I won’t do it, cause it is not my eating window time LOL I will starve instead to hold my eating window time only. When hungry eat, when not don’t. Simple.

fasting is good for the body…but a natural fasting situation that occurs when one is very well fed, the body is functioning well and it wants no food…natural non-eating times.

hope that clears some of that up

#367

I was part of that and I hang my head in shame LOL
but it gets so darn old on carnivore threads to be told our meat will kill us.

but yes I hear ya and will control the keyboard and I hope the anti-whatevertheyare people will do the same :slight_smile:

So happy to hear you are doing well on the coffee experiment.
Glad you are continuing to get great carnivore benefits!

#368

Yeah… I get tempted to troll them sometimes but it wouldn’t be worth it in the long run.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #369

But you’re ignoring the fact that lions aren’t always successful with their hunt. They eat and sleep a lot then the party’s over, time to work again. But they don’t say I’m hungry and go to the fridge and throw a ribeye in the skillet. We as humans are different living in a world with always available food. This isn’t natural, you can’t compare yourself to a lion. You don’t have to work hard to catch and kill an animal or starve. Lions do. Doing an occasional planned EF would more closely mimic the actual carnivore style that a lion lives, not eating twice a day or whenever you feel a little hungry. Lions get ravenously hungry and it drives survival in the wild. :cowboy_hat_face:

#370

We compare their hunger and prey. We eat when hungry like a lion does and we don’t eat when not hungry…like a lion does.

So when we are not hungry we are naturally fasting…and I said fasting for the body is a good thing.

Hey I don’t know about you but I work hard to pay for my food, just as hard as a lion hunts LOL.,…heehee
In nature no hunt, eventually die. Yes that is nature. We are not in that situation but the lions that are alive are hunting and eating. So I don’t know what you are trying to say in a way.

No one can mimic the wild. No pretending we can mimic anything actually. Nature and its complexity. That is why ‘planning a forced IF situation’ just is not natural. I get why some do IF and love it. Carnivores do it naturally and not a window set upon us.

We all get the same benefits but carnivores do it without planning an intentional set of eating times. That is all. We follow natural hunger and eat if hungry.

Hey there are times I am starving and have to go well past when I want to eat. Stuck in work situations or whatever, I hate eating out so I would rather wait another 2-3-4 hrs past my hunger time to get home and get my own food.

So I am not saying WE ARE lions exactly LOL I am saying we eat meat, don’t eat meat again til hungry. That is what a lion will do…when hungry he hunts and if he does miss a kill then he keeps on hunting til he gets that meat. Hey that is on him to get the prey :slight_smile:

(Full Metal KETO AF) #371

Yes, I agree it was a great thread. It got me going on an anti nutrient study kick again. One of the things that I found and was going to post on that thread was interesting but from one of those “healthy fruits and grain docs”. But I didn’t question his knowledge of oxalates, he brought up a point that I have never come across.

There are two types of oxalates, water soluble and not. So like cholesterol the body produces 80% of the oxalates endogenously. The other 20% would be from plant sources. He claimed that the vast majority of plant based oxalates are not water soluble so they never make it out of the digestive track. I realize of course that that in itself could be an issue with gut health. The oxalates that cause kidney stones according to him are created in our bodies. Endogenous oxalates have a very important biological function that we cannot do without. I’m not trying to argue that oxalates are harmless by any means, I just thought it was interesting. :cowboy_hat_face:

#372

That is interesting.
That’s why I get so annoyed when people get their knickers in a knot, it totally shuts down real discussion.

I also get annoyed when people who have no interest in a topic hop onto threads just to cause problems.
Civil discussion, even disagreement is one thing… throwing poop is another.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #373

@Fangs Well about the meat, the amount many seem to eat and recommend is 2-3 lbs. per day. That is 2-3X what I generally eat now. I do eat eggs everyday. I’ve cut down a little lately, I usually did 3 jumbo or 4 large with breakfast meat. I cut back an egg and use more meat usually now.

I never hear much about eggs on this thread. Are you eating them?

Eggs are a lot less expensive than beef. And I can’t afford $10 or more a day to eat. I know it can be done cheaper but what’s the fun of carnivore if you can’t eat good steaks?! :cut_of_meat::cut_of_meat::cut_of_meat::cut_of_meat::cowboy_hat_face:

#374

I eat eggs almost daily, just the yokes though as the whites don’t play nice with my stomach.
Not sure but I probably eat 2+ lbs fairly often but I eat a lot of ground beef so not as expensive.
Tonight I’m having 1.5lb of beef stew meat with extra fat trimmings. If that doesn’t fill me up I just cooked up a container of ground beef that 's for tomorrow.

#375

Oh, and glad you didn’t go getting yourself banned.

#376

@barefootbob …glad you’re back!
I was really enjoying the oxalate thread until it sort of unraveled. Super interesting, especially when examining the cause of painful flareups in joints. Not so enjoyable to wade through the argumentative tripe. I just want to learn information and facts, test out what I learn, report back, and not get pummeled. On carnivore, I respond and react differently than what I used to (prior to going carnivore). Having said that, the digression of the thread garnered a massive eyeroll, a “whatever”, and a click over to Youtube . :upside_down_face: I’d rather read, but I’ll listen to a good lecture instead if it means taking in useful information without annoying interruptions.

Reading about eating 2-3 pounds of meat…no way do I eat that much daily! That is a LOT of meat. Heck, I don’t even eat daily, let alone 2-3 pounds of meat daily!! LOL! I’m just going with the “Eat meat when you’re hungry. Fast when you’re not” method. Easy peasy. No stress. No fuss. Just happy, meatful days!

Currently, I’m on a 10 day stretch at one job, got my other home-based job that’s in high gear, and several family functions to tackle. So darn glad the energy levels are insanely awesome! The next thing I take on will be trying to get off caffiene. Thank you for the inspiration and hope there, @barefootbob !! You rock! =)

#377

I was sad to see it go in that direction, as well:( Some of us follow your thread, so we can definitely share info here :slight_smile:
I’m histamine intolerant, oxalates are a problem for me and we always learn something new.

I felt it wasn’t an attack on you, but a self-defense mechanism, hector projector conversation. Carnivores have been very active on this forum for the past few weeks, so many newly opened threads, Fangs is boasting all the benefits in multiple threats… Maybe there was and over-saturation in a short time? This is probably how others felt when we found keto and wouldn’t shut up about it and all its wonderful results? One grumpy day, one weird post and it gets the ball rolling. I am lost in all these carnivore posts, so many threads, so much information…but i’m chewing through them and learning about carnivore :slight_smile:

#378

for me personally…I mostly dropped eggs now.

When I started I sure ate a ton of eggs but they were always paired with meat. small chunk of steak and 4-5-6 scrambled eggs. Sausage and eggs, etc.

Now I just don’t like them like I used to. I ate so many of them suckers that I just almost can’t stand them anymore LOL Thing is eggs never hold me alone. They have no staying power to cover my hunger. I must have a dense meat with them in order to make a meal that is satisfying…but yea eggs are used for sure but not by as many carnivores as a true heavy duty meal. But yea, eggs are great tho. If ya love them, they do you good, eat the heck out of them :slight_smile:

#379

sure possible. jealousy factor maybe? Just too much focus on carnivore and people wanna take it down? I don’t have a clue. It is one of those just leave us alone if ya don’t want to join us LOL
I sure just want to let it all go.

but all has quieted down and we can just talk oxalates here and whatever info we want and roll along. I will be good, I promise :slight_smile:

#380

She’s back on another carnivore thread now…