Alternative to Eating Butter: Drink Heavy Cream

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#30

She said nothing about liquid vs solid food effects on satiety or the mechanisms for how they are different in the first post. She talked about calories, then talked about stomach expansion, but never mentioned the liquid vs solid aspect, even though that was what she quoted from me and was responding to.

In the second post, on the other hand, she did mention the liquid vs solid aspect.


(Adam L) #31

Muting


(Luke Jeffery) #32

The implication in the first post was that solid food stretches the stomach more and therefore leads to the hormone release that was discussed.


#33

That was no where stated. Maybe for someone that already knows the information, it seems implied. Maybe for could guess the connections. It was, however, simply not stated nor clear, and would require making several assumptions to draw that conclusion without prior knowledge (and assumptions are generally not a good thing).

The whole idea appears to be inaccurate anyway, so I guess it doesn’t matter too much at this point.


(Connie) #34

I know I’m a bit late on this thread (just recently joined forum) but my question for heavy cream is can it be used on fasting days? (or, rather, does it count as a fast if I have heavy cream in my coffee instead of butter?) I use a locally produced organic cream that is so rich I can actually see the fat droplets floating on the top of my coffee - and it’s sooo delicious! I want to try a fast/feast cycle but wonder if I have to give up my cream on the fasting days. Thanks for advice in advance!


#35

It depends on your definition of a fast - some people only consider 0 calories as a fast, while many others, including Jimmy Moore, Dr. Jason Fung and Megan Ramos of the Fasting Talk podcast consider some calories acceptable, including Dr. Valter Longo that developed the Fasting Mimicking Diet.

In the thread below, @ron-coleman used HWC extensively during his fast and his objective measurements of fasting seem to strongly suggest that you can, but some people are sensitive to dairy, so HWC could be a problem for them.


(Norma Laming) #36

Funnily enough, some people find the same thing for running when they abandon using a Fitbit or similar


(Cynthia ) #37

Hi! New to this site, NOT new to keto. Question: I’ve been told to use butter, olive oil, and coconut oil “freely and generously” but then told to use half & half rather than heavy cream. This makes no sense to me since half & half has more carbs than heavy cream. I’M using heavy cream now because my weight loss is REALLY slow this time (peri-menopausal). Any insights? Anyone?


#38

Might be better in it’s own topic, but I’d say I’ve never heard that advice before. Who are you hearing this from?

From searching around for anything like this, the best explanation I can find is people thinking about the calories and saying that the carbs in Half and Half are only slightly more than Heavy Whipping Cream anyway (that kinda depends on portions and what you are comparing).

At 15ml, Half and Half is nearly twice the carbs of Heavy Whipping cream (0.71g vs 0.41g, respectively). Neither is huge of course, so you could get away with either depending on how much you take. But, if you take a lot, that can make a difference. Some are still thinking the calorie disparity is a big deal which has an even wider margin, but since the calories come from fat I’m not as concerned. I’m often taking it wanting to get the extra calories that will tell me I’ve had enough anyway. (Disclaimer: I’m currently loosely testing out upping my intake actually to see if I’ll have some corresponding metabolism increase without putting on weight, or at least not long term weight, but I’d still give the same advice even when I was not doing this).

Alternative idea: there may also be some confusion due to language cropping up, as some English speaking countries (like the U.K.) have different terms for these items (Heavy Cream is “Double Cream” there), so somewhere along the lines there may be some mistranslation. That’s just a guess though not knowing who is saying this advice.


(Cynthia ) #39

Thank you for your insights. I got this advice from a diet plan I am following that was created by docs and I am monitored by RNs weekly. In six months I lost 60 lbs on this plan in 2015. I gradually slipped into eating carbs again and regained 40 lbs in the past three years. I have recommitted to the plan but after eating keto for three months then eating “normally” for two months then keto for three, etc., etc., plus the fact that I am now peri-menopausal, my body is just not responding as quickly. I’ve lost a net 12 lbs since November 27, often gaining three pounds one week, losing two the next, losing a half pound the next, then regaining a pound and so on. Making very slow progress so I am adding more fat to my diet in the hopes it will help.


#40

#Barf I’m not going to eat straight butter or drink heavy cream. I’ll meet my needs by having a nicely prepared meal or snack.


#41

If that program tries a calorie restriction method as well (many do) then that might be why they go for the half and half (even though it seems simpler to me to just change amounts and keep higher proportions of fat to carb ratio). I’m no longer convinced that calorie restriction is a great long term strategy due to how the body can adjust it’s energy usage over time, though I’ve also done it to some degree myself (initially mostly just naturally as I didn’t want to eat more).

That may not be what they are doing at all though and your doctors/RNs may have a better answer for you as to why they favor one over the other. I’ve just seen no indication in my own research that such would be preferable, but I’m an amateur.


(Cynthia ) #42

One nurse I consulted with encouraged me to eat more fat than their program recommends. For example, they don’t “allow” regular bacon or heavy cream. She encouraged me to eat bacon with a lower protein count/higher fat as well as using heavy cream. She also encouraged me to get the majority of my protein servings from higher fat sources (regular cheese as opposed to low-fat, for example) hoping that these changes might help me. I’m not losing significant weight according to the scale but my clothes are feeling looser. Quite frustrating.


#43

Might be good for it’s own topic. I’m not familiar with what exactly they are trying to do and why (I am familiar with some experts who avoid pork and dairy in general for various reasons, but it really depends on the context). However, briefly, I’d say don’t worry so much about the number on the scale (I know, it can be hard, that’s what we normally think about). If your clothes are feeling looser, start measuring inches (or cm, or whatever you like) with a measuring tape. You can loose excess fat and remain the same weight if you are instead gaining lean mass (muscle, bone density, etc). Try a different method of approximating Fat%. Even aside from that though, it’s seems to not be uncommon to go through a period where scales aren’t changing, but your body is doing other adjustments and repairing itself in some way that may even be more important than weight loss (weight loss may also come once it’s done). There are a lot of possibilities depending on a number of factors.


(Cynthia ) #44

Thx for reaching back, djindy! I appreciate the encouragement and support!


#45

Drinking HWC: easy, tasty, healthy!

Here are some blood test results


#46

I LOVE drinking heavy cream, it is so delicious and satiating, and CHEAP considering its energy content. Doing OMAD, it’s the easiest way to make sure I can get above 2000 cals in one meal – just drink a cup of it for an easy 800. I loosely mind my calories in order to avoid lowering my BMR.


(Stacy Lee) #47

I’m curious about this. I am on day 19, doing well, but still learning. I use carb manager and watch my macros as well as calories- although I am usually pretty low in that area. It feels foreign to me to not count them or mind them. Do you track macros and ignore calories then? That’s working for you?


(Brian) #48

One cup of half-n-half is 315 calories, 27.83g of fat, 7.16g of protein, and 10.41 carbs.

One cup of HWC is 821 calories, 88g of fat, 4.88g of protein, and 6.64g of carbs.

One cup of butter is 1628 calories, 184g of fat, 1.93g of protein and 0.14g of carbs.

It does give one opportunity to adjust the macros a bit. I’m kinda thinking about what goes into my coffee and contemplating whether I should try half n half for a while instead of the HWC.


(Norma Laming) #49

I just love heavy cream. Sometimes I wonder about just eating a tub of clotted cream each day