3 Weeks In, Not Too Impressed, Ready to Give Up

#261

Thanks for your advice. I’m in the same boat like her but I lost 7 lbs total so I gave up. but I honestly feel that I was doing it wrong. I was eating under my calorie intake, under the fats, way above protein, and I’m on 20 carbs. I was working out 4 to 5 times a week and I was really trying to do good but I just felt that I wasnt seeing results like many people do.

(Championsidewinder) #262

You say eat more, but now my total calories are lower because I lowered my protein and if I up my fat it takes my net carbs down :man_shrugging:t2:

(Championsidewinder) #263

I am about to stop eating butter and cheese because they have growth hormones in them and makes my bph worse, so I will use any fat like coconut oil or something like that

(TJ Borden) #264

How does upping fat lower carbs? Are you talking about percentages? For the tenth time STOP FOCUSING ON PERCENTAGES. There is NO carb minimum. I’m close to zero most days. 20 net is the max.

(TJ Borden) #265

Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Most people notice a reduction in blood pressure just be eating keto because inflammation drops so dramatically. If you’re that concerned, stick to quality butter and cheese, like kerigold.

(Championsidewinder) #266

https://www.popsci.com/not-in-ketosis

#267

@Baytowvin you are a patient person :slight_smile:

(Championsidewinder) #268

This article says some really bad things about keto, that makes me want to quit all together, including how the saturated fat leads to heart disease and other things that sound bad if not just plain dangerous

(Championsidewinder) #269

Ask yourself is adhd kid have patients ? Lol

(Championsidewinder) #270

I’m still going to stay on the diet a bit longer, but if you lower protein your body will just take some of that protein and turn it into sugar because it doesn’t understand why the protein is being decreased

(Championsidewinder) #271

But the real problem isn’t going over your carb limit—it’s the protein. A therapeutic keto diet limits your protein intake “If you’re eating a lot of protein, you’re breaking that down into carbs,” Giancoli explains. Your body is in desperation mode on keto, she says, and without a reasonable supply of carbohydrates coming from grains and fruits, you’ll start breaking down the amino acids in proteins to make glucose. Glucose, though it sounds like a scary sugar, is your body’s primary source of fuel. Too much isn’t good for you, but you need some just to allow your cells to function normally.

The point of keto is to force your body to deplete its glucose (and the stored form, glycogen) so it will have to use body fat as a fuel source. It’s capable of making ketone bodies from your fat, which can replace glucose as an energy-storing molecule if necessary. To do that, you have to break apart fat molecules thus ‘burning’ the fat off. But here’s the thing: your body really really doesn’t want to run out of glucose. No glucose means starvation as far as it’s concerned—even if you’re not feeling hungry, your body is still missing one of its key macronutrients. And when you’re (nutritionally) starving, your body will start to break down protein just to get those sweet, sweet carbs. Of course, you have a source of protein in your body already: your own muscles. “When in starvation mode, your body breaks down muscle in your body,” says Giancoli. “Ketosis is a way of trying to preserve that protein. It’s not ideal, but it’s your body’s way of saving you.”

If you give your body any more than the absolute minimum amount of protein that it needs, it will immediately break it down into carbs. This is why keto sites often give a guideline for not eating too much protein. The problem is that there’s no one guideline that works for everyone, and without specifically tailoring keto to your body it’d be easy to accidentally ingest too much protein.

(TJ Borden) #272

Yeah… that’s not how that works. PLEASE check out the podcast.

The body will convert protein to glucose. It’s called gluconeogenesis, but it’s demand driven, which means it happens when your body NEEDS glucose and you haven’t eaten any. It’s not something that happens just because you have “extra” protein laying around with nothing to do.

(Championsidewinder) #273

But here’s the thing: your body really really doesn’t want to run out of glucose. No glucose means starvation as far as it’s concerned—even if you’re not feeling hungry, your body is still missing one of its key macronutrients. And when you’re (nutritionally) starving, your body will start to break down protein just to get those sweet, sweet carbs. Of course, you have a source of protein in your body already: your own muscles.

(Championsidewinder) #274

THE HIGH-PROTEIN MYTH: DO NOT FEAR GLUCONEOGENESIS

There is a widely-circulated claim that excess protein is detrimental to ketosis because it causes gluconeogenesis.

This myth has since been disproven. However, there are plenty of articles published online stating this false claim, so Perfect Keto would like to explain how GNG really works on ketosis.

Gluconeogenesis (GNG) is a metabolic pathway that allows your liver and kidneys to make glucose from non-carbohydrate sources.

The word gluconeogenesis has three parts to it:

  • Gluco — coming from the greek root glukos – literally meaning “sweet wine.”
  • Neo — “new”
  • Genesis — “creation”

So a great way to think about it is this is how your body creates new sweet wine for your body . This process is special because it’s the creation of glucose from anything but carbs .

Your body takes compounds like lactate, amino acids (protein), and glycerol to manufacture glucose when there are no carbs around.

This may seem like a problem when you’re trying to run on ketones instead of glucose, but the truth is gluconeogenesis has an incredibly important purpose — and no, it doesn’t harm ketosis.

Some people tout that “you don’t need carbohydrates to survive,” which is only partially true.

To clarify, you don’t need to eat any high carb foods to survive, but make no mistake — your body needs glucose and glycogen to keep you healthy (even on ketosis) and it will get this via survival mechanisms like gluconeogenesis.

(Championsidewinder) #275

That was from Perfect Keto site, seems to contradict what you’re saying

(TJ Borden) #276

How does that contradict what I said? That’s just a longer version of EXACTLY what I said.

(Championsidewinder) #277

How Long Does it Take to Become Fat Adapted

The simple answer is: we don’t know, but not that long. This is a process that even if done efficiently, can take different amount of time for different people. On average if you do everything right, you can expect to become fat adapted in 5-6 weeks.

This is generally depending on how well you keep a low carb – high fat state, how well you maintain your fasted states, how you exercise and finally how well adapted on the hormonal level.

Damn man I have to wait another 5 to 6 weeks to become fat adapted? I think I’m done with this crazy ass diet where everything has to be so damn perfect or I won’t become fat adapted

(Championsidewinder) #278

Because you said my protein was too high, but this says it doesn’t matter, from what I understand

(TJ Borden) #279

Everything above is correct, but based on what you’ve shared, you’ve been calorie restricting based on what a random app told you to do.

You haven’t yet tried jusy following the basics of keto.

(TJ Borden) #280

When did I say your protien was too high? I said you should shoot for a range of 80-120 as a minimum.