2/28/2017: Brenda & Donna's 30-Day Steak Challenge

[softjazze]

I would like a 30 day Alaskan King Crab Challenge please?..

[Brenda]

Alaskan King Crab

Dang. I’d REALLY love to be able to afford this! Butter would need to be included as crab is very lean. Maybe I could afford a week. Keep in touch kiddo. I’d do that with you!

[Bacon]

[DBatting]

What are you guys doing to ensure you get all 4 electrolytes during this experiment? Also, will you be taking a multivitamin/multimineral just to cover all the bases? Meat can only offer so much and 30 days is enough time to cause several kinds of deficiencies (but you probably already know all that).

[Dmes10]

I’ve not tried sous vide steak yet - but somebody stop me! Haha

[Becky]

Meat can only offer so much and 30 days is enough time to cause several kinds of deficiencies (but you probably already know all that).

Meat has micronutrients. Read through the Zero Carb / Carnivore subforum

About the Zero Carb / Carnivore category

However, plants are generally poor sources of micronutrients compared to meat, particularly when you take into account their generally low bioavailability and high anti-nutrients. Moreover, micronutrient needs are different under low carb conditions than high carb ones.

[DBatting]

Meat has micronutrients.

Does an all-meat diet cover all macro and micro nutrient needs as well as enough electrolytes to meet the demands of someone in ketosis? Not to nay-say or anything, I just have questions.

[Abrane]

Biotin- egg yolk
Folate- eggs
Niacin- beef, tuna
Pantothenic Acid- trout, eggs, pork
Riboflavin- eggs, turkey
Thiamin- trout, pork
B6- Tuna, pork, beef
B12- shellfish, beef
Vitamin A- liver, tuna
Vitamin D- trout, roe, eggs
Vitamin E- shellfish, trout
Calcium- sardines, mozzarella
Magnesium- mackerel
Phosphorus- Salmon, beef, pork
Potassium- Salmon
Sulfur- eggs
Chromium- fish, beef, turkey, eggs
Copper- oysters
Fluoride- seafood
Iodine- seafood
Iron- oysters, mussels, beef
Manganese- trout, mussels
Selenium- oysters, tuna, beef, lamb

These aren’t the only things that contain micro nutrients but some.

[AnnaLeeMI]

No spices and no other oils for preparing. Zero.

Salt?

And will you take vitamins/supplements as you usually do, if you usually do?

Can we quick find a researcher to compile the data for this study and then if the results are interesting a more formal study/trial could be done, and we can get results published? I would certainly sign up to be a guinea pig for that kind of study!

[Becky]

Does an all-meat diet cover all macro and micro nutrient needs as well as enough electrolytes to meet the demands of someone in ketosis?

This is the post that piqued my interest. I have it bookmarked for further reading, a number of links are included in the post.

Eating Well-Rounded

The point is there never was proof in the first place that they are needed. It doesn’t exist, and I posit that it can’t be shown, because it’s not true. As to micronutrients, meat is far more nutrient dense than plants, the nutrients are more bioavailable, in some cases by an astounding degree, and unlike plants, meat doesn’t come with anti-nutrients. I do have posts on the topic, for example: Are vegetables good for you? Meat is best for growing brains (This one is “about” something else, …

My n=1, I followed ZC for 18 months about 15-years ago, felt amazing without supplements but quit because I listened to others and feared I was doing long-term damage… I didn’t listen to my own body. I’m 21-days into my latest ZC run and feeling awesome.

[Bacon]

[Charmaine-OLD]

I will consider this. It depends on what I can stockpile over the next month. I’ve really noticed that the cuts of meat around are pretty lean. And I’ve only noticed cuz of making jerky and choosing between lean cuts.

[Brenda]

Salt?

And will you take vitamins/supplements as you usually do, if you usually do?

YES. Salt is definately not a spice. It is necessary for life.
And I will be taking my usual supplements. Yes.

[DaveKeto]

You guys are after my own N=1 heart!

Okay – can I talk you guys into doing some blood panels throughout this experiment? You’re making extremely valuable data throughout that could be super useful to the low carb community – especially in regard to zero carb.

I can get you a great price though my doc (John Edwards), but you’d need to PM directly.

Also, while I’m adding unsolicitied advice ( ) – please consider my food logging protocol as it allows for an ironclad auditing trail via photos. Anyone curious abour your results (not necessarily in a bad way) can have a solid, time stamped means of reviewing it. http://cholesterolcode.com/food-logging-protocol/

Once again, thank you guys so much for doing this! I’m excited to see how it goes.

[Fiorella]

Photo log on this forum could be considered robust too, perhaps? I do this with the “32 day ZC variable protein experiment” I’m currently doing, like here:

32 day ZC variable protein test

This is evidence-based protocol, maybe?

[Genevieve]

I’m down.

[Brenda]

cause several kinds of deficiencies

Not even a tiny bit concerned. I did 7 months of animal products only (no plants) in 2015 which was mostly beef steak and ground beef, had a full blood panel at month #5, and had zero deficiencies for all electrolytes, minerals, etc.
Steak for 30 days will be a piece of cake… eeerrr steak. Lol

[Fiorella]

Here is some info I think is important to review regarding effects of too much protein in daily food intake. Please recognize that I don’t mean to stir up any controversy or alarm, or even discourage participation in this test. In fact, I have signed up for it, too.

My main objective here is to point out the difference between “lean steak” versus “fatty steak” eating. Surely, not everyone in this testing group can afford ribeye and waygu steak each meal. And my concern rises from the potential that someone will consume cheaper/leaner cuts, like cube steak, eye of round, minute steak, etc (which contains approx 5% fat). Furthermore, this test has an additional criteria of cooking without oil (grilling, dry pan fry, boil, sous vide, poach, steam, etc) which limits any addition of fat to lean steaks.

There is a condition called “rabbit starvation”, or protein poisoning, which is described as eating too high amounts of lean protein. I’m not a fan of wiki, but will post the rabbit starvation link below, in case you want to read further. I would advise all participating in this test to perhaps consider the fat content of the steaks you will consume during this test trial.

Here is a quote from the wiki site, describing rabbit starvation:

“Symptoms include diarrhea, headache, fatigue, low blood pressure, slow heart rate, and a vague discomfort and hunger (very similar to a food craving) that can be satisfied only by the consumption of fat.”

Wiki link:

Protein poisoning

[Brenda]

No worries with me @Fiorella
I need the fat for fuel.

I’ve done this before. I need a lot of fat on the steaks.

If I don’t buy a ribeye, I’ll be buying a chuck steak. Both VERY fatty

[Fiorella]

I’m absolutely confident that this test protocol is safe. Just want to put the info out there, in case someone only chooses low fat steaks. You never know…perhaps there is a potential for that to happen? I dunno. Your steak options (ribeye and Chuck) are great fatty choices.