1st post - 2 weeks in, little results

newbies
(John Dove) #1

Hi everyone,

I’m brand new to Ketosis, 3 days ago I never even heard of it. I was introduced via Youtube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF7pmUmyzTk&t=16s - - - - - I get the gist of how it works, although my understanding is rudimentary at best. Here’s my journey so far:

Two weeks ago, I threw out all my junk food and replaced it with a completely healthy diet. AND, I started exercising regularly (4 days a week now; I was in relatively good shape) I weigh 230 and I consider myself overweight by 30-40 lbs and have been that way for years. I would like to get down to 200. But despite doing everything I’ve been doing for the past two weeks, I’ve lost a grand total of about 1 lb. My caloric intake per day is 1600-2000. I feel that I should be down at least 5-6 lbs by now, but hardly anything so far, though I have noticed a difference in my face (thinner)

The really interesting thing about the above-mentioned video, is that he says it may take a month before you hit ketosis, because your body is just burning stored sugar, not fat. Okay, that makes sense, so I keep going. Also, I’m a little older (56) so it isn’t going to happen as fast. My diet consists of eggs (lots of 'em), 3 slices toast, 2 potato patties (hash brown patties), Quinoa for snacks (only a few fingers full) lots of almonds, for dessert, yogurt with a fruit cup maybe, one chicken breast with brussel sprouts and other frozen vegetables. I still drink a LITTLE Coke zero, but honestly, that’s about it. Other than that, nothing else and no cheating. I sure feel like I should have knocked off some pounds by now. I bought some Keto urine test strips today and measured only a “trace” amount of ketosis (negative, trace, small, medium, large). I keep telling myself I’m doing the right things, just keep going. Tell me this works guys.

(Linda) #2

If you ditch the bread, potatoes, yogurt, fruit cup and quinoa, that would be ketogenic.

#3

Welcome John!

Keto can be a hard concept for many of us to grasp at first. I’m surprised you’re even seeing trace ketones, as the 3 slices of toast alone (let alone the potato, quinoa, and other carbs in your meals) would probably knock me out of ketosis lickety-split. Those starches are exactly the same as sugars when it comes to fueling your body, and overall carbohydrate intake (minus fiber grams, which are carbs but not digestible so you can subtract them) must be under 20 grams for most people to achieve ketosis, especially at first.

Rather than go on and on, I feel like a more thorough resource that you can explore might be helpful for you. I think Diet Doctor (online) is one of the best places for people to start, do check it out.

(John Dove) #4

3 slices of bread is 210 calories, 2 has brown patties is 240 calories, Quinoa?? Come on. Every diet I see has quinoa and besides even if I ate a cup is would only be about 300 calories, I only eat 1/3 of that in a day. Yogurt is 100 cal, fruit cup is about 120. ?? What?

(LeeAnn Brooks) #5

Not quite. You can get into ketosis in a matter of days if you stick to 20g carbs net or less. You will burn of glycogen stores within days. That being said, it will take your body 6-8 weeks to learn to use the ketones efficiently as fuel.

There’s no way youre Under 20 net grams carbs with this. You need to ditch the bread and potatoes altogether. Yougurt might be okay if it’s plain Greek, otherwise it’s processed sugary junk food. Almonds are okay, but they have carbs and with all the rest of the carbs you have here, they don’t help.
What do you mean fruit cup? If you mean a very small cup with some fresh berries, again not bad if the rest of your meals weren’t so carb loaded.

The almonds and the fresh berries should be your incidental carbs. The rest has to go.

#6

I know it sounds nuts (yummy nuts) but it’s not about calories. Forget calories. If you work on a calorie model of weight loss, you’ll have the same results you’ve always had, and you want a change, right?

(John Dove) #7

I’ve looked for a good Keto diet online, but I can’t seem to find one, only individual foods (like almond butter - ??) Can someone post one here?

(LeeAnn Brooks) #8

Whatever diet you’re following, it isn’t Keto. You don’t count calories with Keto, you reduce carbs very low, moderate protein and high fat.

#9

Diet Doctor has meal plans and lots of good videos and visual guides.

(less is more, more or less) #10

Welcome to the fray!

I can’t put my finger on it, but I’ve been, well, underwhelmed by Dr. Eric Berg. That may be unfair, but you’d do better to focus on Drs. Westman, Phinney and Berry, Prof Noakes, Gary Taubes, and others. Your listed foods are too carb-ie to be ketogenic, sorry.

You’ll do better to brush up on this PDF created by the 2 Keto Dudes, themselves.

(John Dove) #11

Right. :slight_smile:

(John Dove) #12

can you post URL please? Thanks.

(John Dove) #13

Thank you. I dont really trust anything on Youtube. :confused:

#14

That link I pasted above (sorry, I added it after I initially posted the first reply but it’s there now) should work. :smile:

(John Dove) #15

Thank you! It’s there. :slight_smile:

#16

Awesome, let us know how you do with it!

(LeeAnn Brooks) #17

You don’t trust YouTube itself, or content that’s been put on there?

You can definately trust 2ketodudes.

(John Dove) #18

Thanks for all the good advice guys!!

(John Dove) #19

Not really.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #20

A lot of low-carb/keto researchers lecture at events sponsored by Low Carb Down Under, including Dr. Stephen Phinney, who coined the term “nutritional ketosis” a couple of decades ago, to distinguish it from diabetic ketoacidosis, which is a potentially deadly state. Dr. Phinney and his research partner, Jeff Volek, a biologist at the University of Connecticut, have published many papers on nutritional ketosis and fat-adaptation. They speak regularly at LCDU events, both in Australia and here, in the U.S. You might find their books, The Art and Science of Low-Carbohydrate Living and The Art and Science of Low-Carbohydrate Performance, to be very helpful.

If you check out the LCDU channel on YouTube, you will see other presentations by prominent nutritional researchers, as well. What I like is that all these presentations include references to the studies documenting the science underlying a well-formulated ketogenic diet. The most recent LCDU conference available on YouTube is Low-Carb Breckenridge 2018, and there is a thread on these forums giving links to all the lectures available so far.

There are two popular books by investigative journalists that delve deeply into the current state of nutritional science, and I find them particularly useful because they give references to almost all the relevant studies going back over the past fifty years: Good Calories, Bad Calories, by Gary Taubes, and The Big Fat Surprise, by Nina Teicholz. Talks by these authors are all over YouTube as well.