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(Ken) #103

All my dogs have been raw keto for years. It was after I lost one to diabetes, a couple of years after I had changed. Now about 16 years.

It’s no more expensive than dog food, it’s so calorie dense they don’t have to eat nearly as much. Dog poop turns white quickly and dissolves, so no more yard scooping, it was all grain residue before.

I found a meat locker that sells me their “saw trim” and beef fat by the pound, then I buy beef kidney by the case. They get the one third, two thirds ratio of fat to meat, plus a chunk of kidney. Twice a day. I often add in an egg, shell and all.

My dogs are very long lived, some going 18 years and are usually very active up until the very end, often just passing away during their sleep.

(CharleyD) #104

Lost me there, my wife’s Shih Tzu is already spoiled by doggie standards, no need to elevate the little shitbird to people standards :rofl:

(Consensus is Politics) #105

I have a bit a different relationship with my dogs.

In a previous relationship (ex girlfriend) she had a mix breed large dog. He was one of the smartest dogs I have ever met. He understood English, Tagalog, and Spanish I think (Tagalog being very similar). We never taught him how to do anything. He just listens, and does on his own. You could see the look on his face as we would have a conversation. He watched as we spoke. I think he was putting our words with our actions. He knew not to touch something that wasn’t given to him. Be it stuffed animals, doggie toys, or even food.

One evening in particular, I was having a snack. Cheese, salami, and crackers. Rocky (his name) loved cheese. It was his favorite. He would sit across the room from me and watch me eat. He never came up to mooch. You might say he had delveloped manners. I already knew he would touch the plate, even if I sat it on the floor. That amazed me. He had so much will power. But I was certain if I left it out when I went to bed, he could only resist so long. So I decided to test him and see just how long it would take.

I set up my web cam on my desktop pc so it was looking down at about a 60 degree angle at my plate with crackers, cheese and salami. I was intending to give it to them anyway. Them, there is a second dog. She was an American Bull dog. Her name was Punget. Tagalog for ugly. She was one of those so ugly she was cute. Always had one tooth out over her lip. It was her thing. I was pretty sure she would be the one to lick the plate clean, maybe 1 minute after I was out of the room.

Next morning, the plate looked untouched. I was amazed. I had set the webcam to record on motion, so the entire evenings recording was a total of 2 minutes long. Every few minutes Punget would walk up to the plate. Each step she took she would look over at Rocky. I think he was warning her, don’t touch, not yours. I swear he was communicating with her. Eventually she got up to the plate. She got her nose right up next to the food and was sniffing deeply. Her nose rubbed against some cheese. She stepped back and licked her nose eagerly. But never went after the food. She kept going back about every half hour to sniff the cheese again, and again. Not a single time did rocky venture near it until I came out into the room. When I come out, he ran right up to the plate wagging his tale. He knew he did good. And he got his reward.

Rocky is the same dog that carried me to the bathroom. I was passing my first kidney stone. The first is the worst, because you don’t know what’s going on, and you think you are dying. Oh my, was it bad. I was rolled up in a ball on the bedroom floor. I needed to get to the bathroom, but didn’t have the strength to even sit up on my own. I must have been there close to 12 hours. I really had to pee. No one was home for the weekend. Just me and the dogs. I called rocky, and there he was. I just spoke to him like he was a person. I told him I couldn’t get up, I was in pain, please help me into the bathroom. On queue he put his head under my arm and got me off the floor and to my knees. He pushed me into the bathroom. It took a few minutes for him to get me there, I wasn’t much help. But he did it. I did my business and passed that little Son of a bitch stone. It was 3mmx5mm oval shape, with jagged reappraisal sharp crystals coming out of it at different angles. It looked like it was designed to torture.

#106

ouch… :dizzy_face:
but what a sweet story about Rocky!!

(Deb) #107

I was just about to post this and I saw your post. Timing…it’s an interesting topic unto itself. Here’s a little reading about sugar. :thinking:https://www.lakanto.com/blogs/news/the-secret-killer-of-vegans-and-vegetarians?utm_campaign=02.08.18-Newsletter+%28QfgF4t%29&utm_medium=email&_ke=amRwZWxsZXlAZ21haWwuY29t&utm_source=Extract+Launch

(A ham loving ham! - VA6KD) #108

Mine was 11x14mm and looked like medieval flail. My doc waited almost four months to see if I would pass it…bastard! I didn’t pass it and I had to be rotorooted.

I feel for ya man!

Earlier this week, almost a year since the stone, I got a bit of a familiar twinge and some discomfort in my guts. I feel more sick now just because I know what could be coming. :frowning:

(CharleyD) #109

That is impressive and a testament to getting a mutt for sure! Prissy dogs are just narcissists!

(Consensus is Politics) #110

Since 2004 I have been passing kidney stones on avg, 4 times a year. They were coming at increasing rates though. Last year I had at least one a month. Only one of which was actually painful. Enough so that I ended up in the ER. I mentioned this in another thread when speaking how the VA didn’t tell me my BG was at 360ish. I found out last month. Seven months later. Two months after that stone, I was back in the ER for BG of 594. I wonder if it would have been different had they told me two months earlier? But I’m getting sidetracked :cowboy_hat_face:

For the past 3 years, my stones were all very small, and smooth. I had several in the past that looked like something out of Dr Seuss’s worst nightmare. And those were PAINful.

Being the science nerd that I am. I studied those stones in great detail. There was commonalities. They looked like they were made of limestone core, with a crystalline growth jutting out several sides. The core, was roughly football shaped, half size of a grain of rice. And looked really smooth except for the crystal sticking out. Looked like a flat sheet of quartz. Very rough and sharp. One looked serrated :scream:.

So I got to thinking. These crystals are obviously going to created a big problem passing though. What can I do to inhibit that? Lower my Ph might work. So I gave it a shot. I began drinking a lot of lemonade. Every day. Pretty much all my liquid intake was strong lemonade.

A few months later I was startled when I urinated and there was a little ‘plop’ in the water. A 2mm x 4mm stone slid right out. It might as well been an air bubble.

I know, this wasn’t the strictest scientific experiment, but, something happened. My gut feeling is that it worked.

Now, here’s something a little more interesting. Since I went Keto, I haven’t passed another stone. Up until Aug I had at least one a month for a couple of years. Then come October, nada. So I’ve been stone free for 5 months now. I don’t plan on changing my lemonade routine. I changed the formula. No sugar now, and recently dropped the Splenda for liquid stevia. And the lemons are now what looks to me like freeze dried lemon pulp. True Lemon. They call it crystallized lemon. I use three pack of that, which equals a half a lemon. I prepare it with salt, potassium, ACV, and sweetener. I put the dry elements in a coffee cup first. Put about 2 tblsp of very hot water to get it to dissolve. Then put it into my glass of ice water.

So know I’m taking care of three birds with no stones :wink:

(A ham loving ham! - VA6KD) #111

That’s real interesting. My urologist flipped out when I said I was (newly) going keto at the time of the first consult. He ranted about how keto would destroy my kidneys and how I must eat a DASH diet else I would be eternally damned to producing stones. (No, I’m not doing a DASH diet)

(Jo) #112

Yikes! :drooling_face:

(Mike Glasbrener) #113

Eek! At least you didn’t meantion large intestines…

(Vincent Hall) #114

Ha, ha very good :grinning:

#115

Great link ! I’ve printed it off to share with non-ketonians … including my husband !

(Matthew) #116

If what they are saying was true there would be no Eskimo/Inuit people. There are no fruits, vegetables, or “healthy whole grains” in the arctic tundra.

Your liver makes all the sugar your body needs from protein. I personally think a zero carb diet is rather pointless - under 30 grams of glucose and you will make it yourself anyway. Might as well enjoy some berries once in a while.

OTOH, fat IS an essential nutrient. Rabbit starvation is what happens when you don’t get enough fat (rabbits are very low fat). You slowly go insane and die a slow painful death. Essential fatty acids are essential.

(Rob) #117

Apparently the Inuits do/did eat more berries (dried and fresh) and leaves from the summer growth than you’d think but your point still stands.

(Michele) #118

This story deserved more than 1 :heart: so here we go :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:…
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(Stacy Blanchard) #119

I find the judgement of the family that was trying diet to improve autism and seizures down right offensive. I am glad I wasn’t there to hear these comments. If your kids were eating poison, they should be stopped no matter what the tantrums look like. I was in awe that they made it through five days. I was not expecting the documentary to address autism in the close up way they did and it made me emotional. It reminded me of the difficult early years with my daughter- the gates, the stares, the food issues. I wish I could have started this way of life when she were little. Unless you deal with a situation day in and day out, you have no right to judge. I have a 21 year old daughter that has autism (not high functioning-but truly delightful) and epilepsy. I started my daughter on keto and IF in January after studying the science myself. I am hoping she is able to get off her seizure meds at some point. She is doing great, but it did take about two weeks to really see improvements in her food choices. Now she says things like- I think I’m going to skip dinner tonight.
Basically when I hear comments that are based on no facts I can assume they think I am an idiot. I feel like this bias just proves the reverse is true.

(Vladaar Malane) #120

Quote from the same ignorance level as your neighbor… Forrest Gump: Mama says, “Stupid is as stupid does.”

(Jo) #121

THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME ABOUT THIS MOVIE. I have a friend with an autistic son, and I’ve shared with her… That was the first I’d come across that benefit in that detail.

I love getting this information and sharing with others.

(Ralph Schneekloth) #122

So much is regarded as dogma, it’s true. I say lead by example, when and if others are ready to get healthy, then they might be ready to actually hear what you (we) have to say. Be the best you can be, regardless of how others treat you.