Does anyone else here in the USA remember a commercial on tv in the late 60’s early 70’s for Wonder Bread (I think) “helps a body grow 53 ways” or something like that. That was a company slogan for several years, maybe decades. They got called out on it in the 80’s I think. They were asked to name all 53(ish) of those ways. They just discontinued the saying.
[edit: oops. I guess it was only 8, not near as many as I remember 
Bob, no, we only had Roman Meal in my home. We ate our crumby brick slices and liked it!
That was me almost 20 years ago. The body has a whole raft of control systems and control systems to the control systems to maintain homoeostasis and it can cope really really well with biased inputs for years, sometimes decades, before finally losing control. Just like a car in controlled skid turning steeper and steeper until, ultimately, the skid cant be controlled anymore and a crash becomes inevitable.
My doc used to say things like “You ought to be arrested!” after I had my annual physicals as I looked biologically normal, whilst simultaneously being obese. My bloods looked good (at least for what the doc was looking at). My BP looked good. My liver function looked good. But about 5 years ago, my body couldn’t control the skid any more and things started going bad real quick. My blood glucose started going out of control, blood pressure started climbing at an alarming rate, general inflammation shot up and liver function (metabolic disorder) became an immediate and worrying frequently-mentioned term from my doc.
I wish I knew then what I know now.
Speaking of keto on, I launched my new comic strip.
http://www.ketospider.com/ketospider
Will be improving the site as well as add some links back to ketogenicforums and 2ketodudes.
Mmmmm. Wonder Bread. In my childhood, it was just the thing for peanut butter and jelly as well as bacon sandwiches. No wonder I was fat as a child. They were good, though.
lol - no - I was saying joievawter has overvalued the opinions when she reckoned they were worth 2 cents. 
Ah ok 
I saw your reply was a reply after I posted. Always the way hehe.
I’ve got a couple of ideas for cartoons about the “experts”.
Wanting to use my cartoons to poke fun at both sides (we can be worse than ex-smokers once we get started haha!) as well as weave in some facts and education.
If anyone has any funny ideas for cartoons let me know. 
Heh… I know it risks plagiarism, but Homer Simpson has been ridiculed for his diet, particularly the episode where he tells Bart to “shut up, and wrap that bacon around that sausage! BUTTER THAT BACON!”
Oh, and loved his fast breakfast when he tells his wife, “no time for breakfast” and grabs a banana, peels it, tosses the fruit out, stuff the peel with a bunch of bacon”
And who can forget the fabulous “bacon man lives in a bacon house!”
My dog loves me eating Keto. He gets more pepperoni and cheese than ever before. He comes in the kitchen when I’m cooking bacon, and whines to get me to follow him. We will do the following, I’m not kidding here…
He will lead me back and forth from the stove to his food bowl. He will sniff right at the frying pan, and lead me back to his bowl and stick his nose in the bowl and sniff his food, and repeat this circuit as long as I follow him. I gave up after 10 laps, I’m sure it would have lasted all day or until I break, and pour a tablespoon of bacon fat over his food🤠
This makes me think about pets that have diabetes. Can they eat Keto? I guess that kinda answers itself. Wouldn’t that just be carnivore? I’m pretty sure my dogs teeth prove he wasn’t meant to eat grains🤢
To me, this sounds like a somewhat over-wrought, hysterical defense/rationalization from somebody who loves eating sweets.
If he really thought about that, he should see it’s not logical.
…and with that logic, my kidneys product urine, therefore I must ingest urine. Obviously it’s essential.
I actually got to use this yesterday! I was ecstatic! Someone actually asked me about my diet and was genuinely interested with what I was telling her. When I asked the question, she gave a smirk when she answered because she knew sugar was bad for you. 
Actually, I’ve never thought much about that before. I know a lady who has a diabetic dog. She’s constantly worrying over when that dog gets it’s next dose of meds. Then again, she’s probably almost as worried about when she gets hers. Unfortunately, she’s really NOT open to the keto way of eating. She’d rather believe that McDougall is right, she is broken, and pass the metformin.
My two dogs are on raw keto - and thriving.
Wouldn’t feed them anything else.
One of them gets ear infections and gut problems if he gets fed grains or starchy veg, so I consider raw keto an investment in his future health.
Our dog and cats are all raw fed. If the dog gets kibble (has happened twice while someone was watching him while we were on vacation) he develops eye infection, itchy ears, and his teeth need to be cleaned. Eating raw food with bones, these things never happen.
Yes dogs and cats thrive on LCHF-Keto-Raw meat. They’re more carnivorous than we are. And Vets at least know that chow with grains as the first ingredient ain’t the best thing.
I’ve noticed a trend with the chow at Wallyworld. Even the worst that I would buy, (Purina One) now advertises meat as the first ingredient. Beats corn meal and card board, IMO.
My 7 yr old Staffordshire Terrier would rather not eat for a couple of days if I don’t pour some bacon fat over his kibble. Excuse me, warm, fresh, bacon fat. Preferably with some egg flavor in it. Like right after I fix the wife’s breakfast, he is expecting his.
I noticed it looks like even pet food manufacturers play games with the labeling too. Anyone else see any discrepancies or ‘wiggle room’ for them?
This is the stuff recommended by my vet. She sounds really knowledgeable (fwiw). I tried to talk a bunch of ‘technobabble sciencey’ speak and it made her laugh. “Mr Johnson, you just made all that up!”. I swear, my last vet used the same language, which I knew was bullshit.
Hades (my dog) is the kind of dog that only eats when he really has to. But only with kibble. I can pour a lot of bacon fat over his food, and he will only eat maybe a cup or two. And the bowl holds about 20 cups. I only fill it twice a week. Of course, if I filled it with people chow, all bets are off. He will eat non stop if it were cheese and or pepperoni. 
