Without Carbs you will die. Sugar is an essential nutrient. You need 53 essential nutrients

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(Carolus Holman) #1

Without Carbs you will die. Sugar is an essential nutrient. You need 53 essential nutrients, because your liver produces sugar (glycogen) this proves that you need to eat sugar to live.

These crazy quotes came from a neighbor who seemed so severely pissed off that I stated no-carbs or low-carbs from some incidental vegetable was fine. He railed on me, stating things like: Whatever you are doing is not sustainable, people with these diets are just making money off you. He seemed to want to attack the diet as if i was paying for being on it, like those diets that don’t work. Jenny Craig, Weight Watchers etc. When he realized I wasn’t paying to lose, that made him more upset.

I told him I don’t believe that I need to eat sugar as an essential nutrient, he went ballistic and told me without sugar I would not be able to exercise, and I would die. He told me that sugar is an essential nutrient for your brain to function. I responded all you need is Fat and Protein, I then pointed to pre-industrial society and the facts that diabetes rates have changed from 1/2400 to 1/11. He then went off on how “those” people choose to be fat and deserve diabetes because they don’t have nutritional balance. I said that it is a fact that more people per-capita have diabetes, and doctors are exacerbating the issue by prescribing high-carb diets with a side of insulin (weight gain etc). He agreed this was poor advice, however they are stuck doing that because of malpractice issue when not following the tenets of the system they are in. I retorted that they should be sued for giving bad-advice based on actual science. Sue them and the system they are a part of.

I have lost about 60 pounds and feel I have about 20-25 to go. He stated that my current weight is fine, and I should not lose anymore!?! I told him with 20 more pounds lost I would be at the top of my range for my height. NOPE. those requirements are all wrong.

We switched topics later, but holy-crap I have never felt so under attack for suggesting changes against the orthodoxy. What a total shit-storm.

(Keto in Katy) #2

Par for the course. Keto on.

(Consensus is Politics) #3

Yeah, I went through a similar argument at work when I first tried Keto a few years ago. The only reason I tried it was because Steve Gibson (Grc.com) did a podcast on low carb dieting and how his health imposed on it.

Two of my coworkers were avid fitness and health eating fans. But not low carb. They both worked out at a gym that they paid membership to. We were having having a pot luck at work, and I abstained from eating, as everything was high in carbs. “C’mon bug, your blood sugar is going to get low, you’ll pass out”, to which I replied, “my blood sugar couldn’t get much lower, seeing as I haven’t eaten any carbs in the past two months”. Everyone one in the room looked at me. I might as well have been mooning everyone the way they looked at me. I committed a sacrilege in the house of sugar​:roll_eyes::scream:.

The two “health nuts” began to give me a speech about how carbs are important, and you can’t live with out them. I just laughed, and said, “so, I’ll die then?” Feigning worry​:speak_no_evil: They replied, “well, yes!” To which I replied, “well, WHEN! I guess I’ll just keep losing fat first and then dry up and blow away?”:sunglasses: I might as well been mooning them.

(Carolus Holman) #4

Yes agree, this was my first real attack. Except for the obese dietician lecturing me about the evils of Keto. I smiled at her and said, what diet are you on? Death stare. was the reply.

(Allie) #5

Another crazy who thinks it’s all a conspiracy by the meat industry trying to make money out of us :joy:

#6

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

― Mark Twain

#7

Your neighbor and the ‘nutritionist’ get angry when you show them that it is possible that THEY are the ones who have fallen for the brainwashing that is SAD.
I am proud of you for sticking with your beliefs! With your accomplishments it sounds like your beliefs are working! You are dead-on that no one decides for you how much weight you need to lose. Way to go! You obviously have gained muscle mass in your _alls and you have no brain issues either, it must be the fat!
Thank you for the laugh! “sugar is an essential nutrient” - THAT is funny

(Darlene Horsley) #8

WOW, I don’t know how you kept your composure! I doubt that I could have. Hell, my Scot/Irish, with a little Native American thrown in for good measure, hackles stood up just reading about it!!!
Ketos (my new word for kudos) to you Sir! :slight_smile:

(Carolus Holman) #9

He was basically saying that Natural sugar, as opposed to? Refined sugar was healthy and neccessary. When he asked me about fruit, I thought his head would explode. Fructose is the worst sugar for you… I held it together but it wasn’t easy, he then acused me of being a hipocrite because I drank alcohol, which according to him is pure sugar… I had fun, but wow it was just brutal!

#10

Hahahahaa… your neighbor would crap his pants if he saw me out running and knew how I ate.
Sugar zombies, sugar zombies everywhere.

Good going, I would’ve laughed at him which usually just makes them angrier.

#11

That’s when you know that facts are not going to work. He’s angry with you for a simple statement about something that’s clearly working for you? That’s straight-up crazy, and you can’t argue with crazy!

(Todd Allen) #12

Alcohol isn’t sugar but fructose is metabolized by the liver in a very similar fashion. Some believe the fast increasing health problem called non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) named to distinguish it from fatty liver which previously was only seen in heavy users of alcohol is due to large increases in fructose consumption.

I was pre-diabetic with NAFLD and in addition to agressively eliminating refined sugars and starches from my diet thought it best to also aggressively cut alcohol consumption. Now that it looks like I’m metabolically healthy with no remaining signs of fatty liver I’ll indulge once in a while in a piece of fruit or the rare glass of wine.

#13

It actually reminds me of when I left a denomination for another Christian tradition. Some of the people of the old church actually took it as a judgement and even attack of them personally. I think the same thing happens in some people’s minds when you make the choice to go against the herd.
No rationalizing is possible when someone thinks they’ve been personally attacked no matter how ridiculous their reason.

(Ken) #14

You should ask him why that if sugar is essential, is there no RDA for carbohydrate consumption? The answer being that the body can produce its own glucose via gluconeogenesis. You can also point out that most of the body runs happily on fatty acids, and that the brain can use ketones as well as glucose. It’s very basic lipolysis.

(Jeanne Wagner) #15

What I have come to learn is that people out there are ignorant (they just don’t know), and misinformed. Just Keto On and perhaps throw a book at someone every now and then. Keto Clarity/Obesity Code are great :slight_smile: Or show them before and after bloodwork. But most importantly, people have to have just a little bit of an open mind to be receptive to this information. You never know what might trigger them to be open.

I have a friend at work who I’ve talked to a little bit. She doesn’t totally buy into it, but thinks lower carbs are a good idea. Hey that’s a start. She has heart problems since birth, and several autoimmune diseases. She is a poster child for needing to be on this lifestyle. She thinks she is being low carb because she doesn’t drink all the sodas anymore, but just yesterday I saw her having a large slice of pizza that was thick, not even thin crust, and two tasty cakes for ‘dessert.’ (Every day it’s something like Publix subs (the vast improvement over Subway), or spaghetti, or potatoes.) She thinks that’s low carb. Of course I didn’t say anything but my head whipped over to look when I caught a whiff of those tasty cakes. That sweet smell was like a fire siren. I was on my first of a three day fast and for some reason was hungry all day. Bummer. But heck it was my first one and I got through it. (Now on hour 49.)

(Brian) #16

Yup, and if we don’t faithfully wear our elephant repellent, we’re all gonna get trampled to death just after we open the refrigerator door and discover their footprints in our butter. Yeah, right.

I heard an old guy, many moons ago, that used to have a come-back for arguments like that. It went like this: “Whatever you say is right. Even if you don’t say anything, you’re still right.” I didn’t understand it completely at the time but I do now. :wink:

#17

Can’t fix stupid

(ianrobo) #18

I love these arguments I have at work (actually debates more like) as I always default to

‘well if It is so essential how come 1) never been fitter 2) hardly had a day off work 3) no scurvy and 4) can ride up mountains’

Works a treat, they have no defence ha ha …

plus show the before and after pics …

N=1 evidence is the greatest we have and social media allows us to spread the message !

#19

I absolutely agree with people of they say I need sugar, and then I tell them luckily the liver makes all the glucose the brain needs. I don’t have to actually eat any sugar at all.

(Sophie) #20

I think I’ll use this one next time I run up against a dumbass, since most of them seem to love g’vmnt garbage.