What's the difference between loose skin from weight loss and just plain ole loose skin from being 'older'?

#25

This is an old thread but please point me to information glycine or mag glycinate for Collagen production please.

#26

Did any of those internet doctors, book writers, expert physicians, etc post before and after pictures of people who lost the extra skin by fasting? Pictures of people before (while obese), and after in a clothing such as beach clothing, that would have shown the lack of sagging skin?

If they did, would you, or anyone share a link to these pictures?

If they didn’t… why wouldn’t they?

Until I see a lot of these pictures (I haven’t seen a single one and looking on youtube led to nothing), I think it’s fooling people. Wishful thinking.

I’ll continue looking, because it’d be wonderful if it was true, and I’ll post a link if I ever find one.

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #27

It is understandable if people aren’t eager to share before and after photos revealing enough to know if they have loose skin. And, as Dr Fung says in this article, evidence is currently anecdotal. But this may be a good place to start.

#28

Robert looks darn good! I may not see his belly skin but I zoomed in on his face an his neck and facial skin look nice and tight. No turkey wattle and skin on arms and legs also doesn’t look loose. Well done Robert!!

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #29

There are also two before and after topics on the site. They are for keto success of course, but you can look for the folks who mention fasting as part of their journey.

(Jane) #30

Well I am one who shrunk loose skin with fasting but no way in hell would I post before and after pics of my bare belly.

#31

This is very nice! Thank you for sharing!

So, one person. Pity he shared no pictures of what he calls “flaps”, though, and no close up. I’ll try to find more of him on the net.

#32

That’s fantastic, Janie.

And you shouldn’t share pictures! I didn’t mean to ask pictures of other members. What I wanted to see were pictures of people who like to share before and after.

Surgeons who do skin removal share faceless before and after pictures. I was thinking one of the doctors who claim fasting eliminates the problem of loose skin for their patients would have something like an internet page full of these before and after pictures. If you find one of these before and after internet testimonials internet pages, please, share!

(Jane) #33

I haven’t looked but would like to see those types of pictures also.

I am 61, so no spring chicken, and I thought at my age the belly apron was “forever”. My husband loves me just the way I am so it was just my own vanity that wanted it gone. It’s not completely gone and totally flat, but to not have a small flap of skin laying on top of another is a big deal to me. I can live with a small pooch and a wrinkle. Took months of fasting but over time it shrank. And the wrinkles and dimples on my upper thighs from weight loss tightened up also. Mostly on the back of my legs where I couldn’t see it but hubby noticed :wink:

(Hyperbole- best thing in the universe!) #34

I haven’t heard a doctor saying it eliminates loose skin… Dr Fung’s focus is making his sick patients better. The fact that he hasn’t needed to refer anyone for skin removal was a happy side effect. Since his practice is not a weight loss clinic, I doubt before and after photos crossed anyone’s mind.

#35

That’s great result and very encouraging and inspirational.

It’s not only a matter of vanity! It’s about comfort, too.

Thank you very much for sharing, because it’s nice to know of real people getting the results.

#36

I can appreciate what you’re saying.

However, before and after pictures are very common and also very inspirational. But, sure, health beats looks any way we look at it!

Cheers!

(CharleyD) #37

Sorry for the delay, it’s been a while!
Found this on Bing:

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Wikipedia on Collagen shows this chart from citation [19] 1. Szpak, Paul (2011). “Fish bone chemistry and ultrastructure: implications for taphonomy and stable isotope analysis”. Journal of Archaeological Science . 38 (12): 3358–3372. doi:10.1016/j.jas.2011.07.022.

Looks like Glycine is the most common amino acid in Collagen:

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#38

There are photos in the threads. Some are keto only. My sense is anyone under 40 or 50 (I know big range but it depends on genetics, in my area there is one group that I have always found to look older than their age unrelated to weight) will lose weight and not have too much saggy skin. People over 50 may or may not get that channel under their chin and on their neck

#39
(Jane) #40

I am 61 and get comments all the time (since keto) that I don’t look my age. No turkey neck I need to hide with a scarf, no jowls, my batwings have shrunk!!!

#41

Absolutely, and part of that is genetics, as I mentioned, I think people from certain genetic backgrounds just look older and some younger. I have a son in his early 20s who could easily pull a 21 Jump Street. I could put him on my 15 year olds soccer team and no one would even question it.

In scrolling through before and after pictures I noticed many of the younger looking people really looked younger after weight loss. Some of the older ones looked better, others looked older. Note I am in my late 50s. Interestingly, other than the channel in the neck and chin area, no one had major hanging skin

#42

Thank you so much for sharing these!

I love success stories with and without pictures. It’s inspiring and also a way to have happy news when the world around me is collapsing, with so many sick and so many dying.

#43

You’re very inspiring, Janie!

Keep on being awesome!

(Susan) #44

Yes you look awesome --I think you look more in your 40’s and very healthy =).

I am a definite believer in Fasting for Autophagy --I have lost 80 pounds so far in my Keto journey and I still have lots to go (293 down to 213 so far) and the IF and Fasting is sure helping with the loose skin issues.

Best wishes to all of us looking awesome, being healthier, living longer, more productive lives and looking younger --all thanks to Keto!