What advice would you give a SUPER noob who wants to start keto?


(Jen) #1

I’ve been a very committed keto-er for almost a year now and my very obese friend keeps asking me a lot of questions about it and recently told me she thinks she wants to give it a try.

Today she told me she thinks she’s finally ready to really make a change. She asked for my advice for how to start, but I’m finding it a challenge because I started keto in a very different place. I have been dieting almost my entire adult life (stupidly, but still…) and for a year+ before starting keto I had already dabbled in paleo and was pretty low carb. I knew a lot about macros and was already in the habit of tracking my food and I actually cooked most of my meals. Becoming a keto-er has been a pretty easy transition for me, and I know it will be the way I eat the rest of my life.

My friend was raised on the epitome of the Standard American Diet and knows absolutely nothing about nutrition. She eats out every meal and is very uncomfortable cooking anything for herself (she was never taught to cook). If I mention carbs, she literally doesn’t know what that word means. Like most of our fellow Americans, she thinks the Nutrigrain bars she eats every day are healthy because they have “whole grains” in them and she has to drink milk in order to have strong bones. She was shocked when I told her Gatorade had sugar in it. It makes me really sad. :frowning:

Anyway… The idea of actually tracking macros completely overwhelms her, so I think a “lazy” approach to keto is definitely the way to go at the start. But how does someone who literally doesn’t know what has fat or carbs in it start even lazy keto? Have any of you ever started from there?

I’m super excited for her because I know if she can grasp on to this way of eating, her life is about to change. I don’t want to mess this up and give her so much that she’ll give up… but also want her to see results.
Any advice?


(Alec) #2

This would make it very tough indeed. Is she willing to learn? My advice as a starting point would be to give her a list of foods that she can eat from (say from the menus of the places she eats at), tell her to start reading labels and learning what items have sugar and carbs in, and give the basic rules as simply as possible.

I am not sure keto is possible without understanding what macros are and what macros are in each type of food. She needs to learn. It’s not that hard.

Good luck!! :roll_eyes:
Cheers
Alec


(Jo) #3

I think there was a podcast by the dudes about doing KETO while not cooking at all, and eating out. I don’t remember which one but it was one of the earlier ones I think. Might be worthwhile digging up.

Good for her to make a change, and good for you to support her. i’m getting there slowly with a friend of mine too. She’s drawn to the fasting aspect so maybe that’ll be the hook I can use to get her to try this.


(Alec) #4

Yes, this. Jen, your original post reminded me of what Jason fung said about his patients. They had the same level of knowledge as your friend. So he started them on fasting. Maybe that’s a start while you educate?


#5

i start my friends out with the ultimate test, I call it the no white diet. Tell them to start with cutting out sugar and grain. but put no further restrictions on them yet.


#6

These illustrated food guides from the Diet Doctor website are a simple way to see how some foods compare in terms of carbs:

That website also has these intros:


#7

I am interested to know as well.

I have a mother who is 60s and she is interested as she heard me saying that my WOE is basically treating myself as diabetes (she has pre-diabetes)(it is me using a bad statement to describe my keto WOE when I talk to her about it), but…

  1. She is basically ignorant to all the science.(not understand the term like carbohydrates. Okay, I understand that)
  2. She has the fear towards all kinds of fat, especially saturated(mainly animal) fat(thanks to all the bad people making them demon)
  3. She also has fear to salt (low salt…)

Some notes though:

  1. She is the one who cooked at home, so cooking is not a problem.

#8

The hardest step is the removal of sugar from the diet, the next step is the changing to healthy fats. I find simple is best and I start with no sugar and no vegetable oil, At this point you do not need to be fat adapted but it will start.

How to convince about eating fat is the hard part, but much easier if willing to look at the science. There are many very good videos on this topic and some good interviews on 2 keto dudes that can help. The bleeped one with Jason Fung is very good and I find it funny.


#9

Forgot to say… My mother is not good in English.

The removal of sugar? Her diet is basically less sugar already. But still… To remove it completely? How to satisfy the taste then?


#10

learn that all things have taste without sugar. Think of sugar as cocaine and the best way to stop using coke is to just stop. You do not give a like bit of heroine to a addict, you must break free. And sugar is more addictive than cocaine and probably more harmful.


(Sophie) #11

You can share a food pyramid with her…a little visual of all the stuff she can eat…


(Bunny) #12

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(Jen) #13

Those Diet Doctor links are so great! Thank you @OgreZed ! I’m going to share those with her today.

And thanks for all the input so far… all of you! I knew you all would be very helpful.

I think I’ve got her committed to at least take out all the “whites” for a couple weeks (thanks @Alley!) and see if that doesn’t immediately make her feel better. I think it will! Meanwhile I’m sure we’ll have a lot more discussions about reading food labels and all that fun stuff.


(Brian) #14

To add to Sophie’s food pyramid thoughts, you could always present her with a list of foods to eat and tell her to only eat from that list. There are several online, maybe you could print one or more out for her to carry with her. She can compare that with the stuff she’d order in a restaurant if she’s eating out or compare that to a shopping experience if she’s buying groceries for at home.

It’s not rocket science. And I think if your friend is serious about it, she really can do it. She may not get it all perfect from day 1 but if she’s going to make a sincere effort, I suspect she’ll get pretty excited to see good things happening fairly soon.

Good luck!


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #15

This is how I began! In fact it was just cutting out sugar and sweets, at first; I still kept eating rice, pasta, and oatmeal. I thought it was going to be so hard to give up sugar, but instead I felt so good, after a week or two, I stopped buying bread and gave away my packages of rice and pasta. Perhaps it will work the same with your friend.


(cheryl) #16

when I first started out I had anxiety about eating fat… Doing the exact opposite of what it seems EVERYONE – Doctors included are telling you to do. So it can take awhile to wrap your brain around that.

So, she will need to understand what carbs, proteins, and fats are – however, when my mom started out – I gave her this list from Eric Westman’s group and it helped. It will give her a guide as to what to eat and not to eat. And then she can start the process of figuring out what all the macro’s are and mean.

here’s a downloadable link to a PDF https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v0NlKN6glLba3K2QjroaIGHfFmC7J1US/view?usp=sharing


(Jen) #17

Love this, Paul. I think that’s what she’s gonna do for the first couple of weeks. She says she’s starting tomorrow, so… fingers crossed! :slight_smile: