Vintage Ladies Keto Klub

(Moriah ) #619

Hi all,
I don’t want to say I’m a vintage lady but I guess I am! I am working on the keto thing, relatively new after doing IF for a while. When I figure my macros I get between 45 and 65 grams of protein a day. ie. 1 to 1.5 grams per kg of lean body mass. Does this sound accurate? When I try to identify what I’m going to eat, unless I don’t eat much (or any) protein during the day, I can’t even have a good sized portion of salmon for dinner.

(Moriah ) #620

up to now I had been using a keto app that said 65-75 grams of protein a day. I’m trying to figure out why I’m not loosing, So I tried to figure lean body mass from a calculator and then pulled in Richard’s 1 to 1.5 grams per kilogram.

(Lisa Stevens) #621

I was just reading about thyroid disease and fasting. Sounds like the way to go. Do a Google search and you will find several references about fasting a couple days a week. I’m doing IF for the first time without eating fat. I usually allow myself butter in my coffee or even a splash of cream so I was looking up thyroid and fasting out of curiosity.

(KCKO, KCFO) #622

You sound like you are confusing grams of protein with the weight grams of the fish. According to USDA 200 grams (slightly over 7 ozs.) of raw salmon has 45 grams of protein. That would be your minimum for the day.

(Karen) #623

Not sure, but beginning to think I too need to keep my protein on the low side of moderate. Think fish, eggs, poultry.

K

(Karen) #624

This is hopefully helpful. The Fasting FAQ
It includes a bit on autoohgy, but using the search feature on the forum gives you bunches.
K

(Tracy) #625

Thanks, I’ll do that. I’ve been IFing for quite some time, though not yet without my MCT and HWC in the morning. I am struggling with the psychological side of doing longer fasts, and the resultant potential for binge eating. But it is on my radar.

(Tracy) #626

Has anyone on this feed had any thyroid-while-keto experiences to share?

I started playing with my meds about three months before I started keto. I started taking NDT, first one grain, then last October I had these seemingly hypothyroid symptoms, so I started taking two grains. Then, after my ZC fail in Jan/Feb, I got even worse hypothyroid symptoms and started taking 3 grains. This time I didn’t improve, and was feeling over-medicated with some pretty intense heart palpitations. I then decided to go back to Synthroid, and all of my symptoms have gotten better over the past week of T4 only (Synthroid).

I know that people stop or reduce other medications after going keto, and I’m wondering if anyone on here has reduced their thyroid hormones since going keto. And I’m asking only on here because I agree with some others who have stated that they feel much of the keto-sphere is male centric. I will add to that, that I’m not in the stage of life where I’m on the same footing as other keto women either. I think we are in a niche that is heavily underrepresented. Anyone here fancy doing a vintage keto podcast? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

(Jo) #627

Tracy,
I’m hypothyroid, and have been for over 20 years. I was diagnosed after my son was born. I have been increasing my dosage of levothyroxine (T4) every couple of years until I was on keto for a number of months and have had to cut back on my prescription (doctor initiated). I had terrible palpitations and my labs were indicating that my dose was too high.
I am now on a combination of levothyroxine plus Cytomel (T3). It has taken some time to get my dosage correct, I was originally prescribed 10mcgs, which was too much for me so I dropped it to 5mcgs and now I am up to 7.5, taken in two doses. This now seems to be working for me.
In my experience, and from what I understand, the ketogenic diet reduced inflammation in my body, which has improved my thyroid function, but it certainly isn’t completely healed. However, it does mean that I am having to tinker with meds, supplements and getting lots of sleep.
I have found this Functional Medicine doctor’s website and YouTube videos helpful. He suggests a T3& T4 combination therapy (like your Armour NDT) plus supplementing with selenium.

I hopes this helps.

also, I just wanted to add that my weight loss has been extremely slow, but it is happening. My measurements and appearance are changing whereas my scale is a lying piece of steel and can’t be trusted.

(Lisa Stevens) #628

I don’t like to go more than 20-24 hours. Yesterday for the first time I did the black coffee, water with added electrolytes. My blood sugar fell to 72. I’ve never seen it that low. I did a light workout along with some resistance training and then had a dinner that included sweet potato, steak, asparagus. After that I had coffee with Perfect Keto collagen and butter. Then very last I had a piece of favorite dark chocolate. When I got up this morning my blood ketones were 1.9 and my blood sugar was 89. I was very happy with that result.

(Lisa Stevens) #629

Doc Muscles says to give your scale to a neighbor you don’t like. LOL!! I don’t use my scale but unfortunately my doctor does. He was wondering if there was something wrong with the scale because it showed I gained weight. I’m definitely becoming leaner. The only way to judge that is with a Dexa scan.

(Tracy) #630

Thanks for that info Jo!

My T4 and T3 on 125 mcg of NDT were both coming back below lab ranges. I felt no difference when I went from Synthroid to NDT in the beginning, except that I was having fewer heart palpitations, which I now know now was because I’d been put on 150 mcg of Synthroid once upon a time and no longer needed that much! But after more than a year on NDT I was feeling pretty crappy no matter the dose and requested going back to Synthroid. I’m now down to 75 mcg of T4 and we’ll see how that goes. After the first week I’m feeling much better, but time will tell.

I will think about adding some T3 (Cytomel) in later as well if I’m not feeling optimal, but I really never liked the feeling that T3 gave me; however a much lower dose may work better for me as it does for you.

One thing about doing the synthetic hormones is at least there are no shortages!! :+1:

I’m glad that you’re having slow but steady weight loss. Really, that’s the best kind anyway. Takes a bit more mettle to stay motivated, but it’s worth it in the end.

I’ve gained enough to make my pants a bit snug, but I feel back on track now. I’ve had some weird symptoms that I thought were diet and/or thyroid related, but I’m beginning to think they may have been caused by a low-level virus or something. Feeling good today even though the weather’s a bit nippy up here for the end of March! :snowman:

Take care. :heart:

(Jo) #631

It’s nippy down here in Victoria too, although the sun today feels amazing and the trees are all blooming.:cherry_blossom:
You might enjoy this article. http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2017/10/thyroid-intro.html
I really like this author, Amy Berger, she is very sensible about keto and LCHF.
Good luck tinkering and researching about your body!

(Jo) #632

You might be fine on T4 alone, your body might be converting it into T3 just fine. I suspect that I wasn’t get a complete conversion, and the T3 added has given me a boost (so to speak). I have to say that I didn’t like it at first, but a lower dose and splitting it up over that day has made a huge difference. Cytomel has a shorter half life than Synthyroid, splitting the dose over the day feels better in my body than taking it all at once, as I felt too revv’ed up.

(Tracy) #633

Thanks for the article, and for the Dr. Childs YouTube channel tip. Just finished listening to one of his talks, and he makes a lot of sense.

Yes, the T3 in the NDT made me feel edgy, and I didn’t like that. I’m hoping that my ability to convert T4 to T3 has improved on keto. :crossed_fingers::crossed_fingers::crossed_fingers:

This cold snap will hopefully be the last. It’s going to warm up and then rain all week up here. Sigh :pensive:I really miss the weather in Victoria!

#634

Love this – I have been ignoring my scale for about 3 months now too, it is one of the silent deceivers!!

#635

Great perspective gatita! I am the same age and in the same place, although you have a year more keto-experience than me! Preventing the carb-sourced diseases is as important as any other advantage of keto.
I’m losing - really slowly and you’re right - not gaining - is a victory.
Glad you joined in!

(Joan) #636

I have to keep my protein low, if I don’t my blood glucose goes up and I start feeling like I’m starving and wanting to eat everything in site

(mags) #637

If I’m not losing I’m usually gaining so I suppose a stall is a victory in itself :grinning:

(Moriah ) #638

yay, glad to hear I’m not the only one not loosing. I’m still at this pesky 190 mark, I just wish I could get to like 188 so I won’t see the 9 anymore. I had been sick and ate some carbs (not even much) for 2 days out of 8-9 days. Now I have the keto flu like gangbusters. Reminds me of “the change of life”
I’m a single mom with 2 teens (yes I’m older) and I choose not to spend much time in the kitchen, just got back from Sam’s club (a warehouse grocery store) Members mark 100 percent parmesan crisps ! Yippee!