Also all very good choices. Not only do I like New Order, I’m also a Joy Division fan. I think they’re acquired taste because Ian Curtis’ voice was oh, how shall we say… special. 
Time to add something else?
x-Dena-x
(Little Miss Scare-All)
#11
toucansam
(jr bob dobbs)
#12
CKD I assume is “carnivore keto diet?” I’ve heard of it, but have no idea what it is, technically. TKD I have never heard of.
Your discussion of music leads me to believe that I have definitely found my people in this forum.
coopdawg
#15
Search (Ytube) Letterman Show for live performances of; Depeche Mode, and maybe even Snow Patrol.
Just innocuous advice
x-Dena-x
(Little Miss Scare-All)
#16
You know what’s cool about Depeche is they’re still relevant. I love their old stuff very much, but I gained new respect for them when they released Playing the Angel in 2005 or so. Greattttttt album (aside from the track called Macro, it annoys me).
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SomeGuy
(Joey)
#18
As noted by others, knowing your goals and aiming for them is going to serve you best in the long run.
But oftentimes we can’t have everything we want - which is where priorities and choices come to loggerheads.
Given your original post, if you haven’t read this Phinney/Volik book yet you might find it to be of great interest:
Shortstuff
(Allie)
#19
Cyclical ketogenic diet
You may also like to read about TKD - targeted ketogenic diet, carbs strategically placed before workouts.
toucansam
(jr bob dobbs)
#20
Thank you for the replies folks. “Targeted keto” sounds exactly like where my mind was beginning to take this… Stick with carnivore except at one or two specific times a day, at which time I would add a specific and small carb load. The quest now will be to find one that is as low in oxalates and fructose as possible.
I had read about folks experimenting with what times of day worked best for them with regards to adding carbs.
Its nice to know that its called “targeted keto” because now I have something to research.
lfod14
#21
Been there, done that. an overall 200+lb drop in your deads isn’t unheard of, I did strict keto for 4yrs, lost a ton of strength, I wasn’t tracking my lifts to much and it was happening slow and I was attributing it to other things, I was wrong.
For people that us that lift, and lift for real, going without the carbs hurts us pretty bad. There are many that say they do just as well without the carbs, I did fine overall without the carbs, but I suffered in the gym huge. I’m beyond skeptical of those that claim their lifting hasn’t taken a hit, Take Thomas DeLauer, very impressive physique, but google up what he looked like pre Keto! Night and day difference how much muscle he lost. Danny Vega is another one, when he was doing CKD vs going strict keto and then Carnivore he lost massive size. Then some will point out that Robert Sikes has his pro card… ya, he does, and although his physique is more ripped than me because he’s super low bodyfat, mine still looks good, and I absolutely have more muscle on me than he does. I’m not qualified to walk across any stages, and that’s not what I go for, dude beauty pageants aren’t my thing, but I’m 5’10, 225lbs and around 10% BF right now. Hopefully in the next month or two I’ll be down around 8-9 if I stop screwing around.
Night and day gamechanger was me doing a hybrid TKD/CKD approach. I did them individually at first as after 4yrs strict keto I was petrified of reintroducing carbs, even strategically. But 30g Dextrose preworkout was like rocket fuel! You burn it all off during your workout, so no harm no foul. Then I tried CKD, the carb reloaded go back the pumps, was filling out shirts better, and the endurance to keep lifting was back, so I combined the two of them and that’s how it’s going to stay!
Since then I’ve almost regained all the muscle I lost, my gym energy is amazing, and my muscles have fuel again to really push the way you need to push to get it done. Again, people claim after a while they have nearly as much glycogen in the muscles with standard keto, ya, sorry, no. I’ve yet to see anybody in all the keto workout videos I’ve watched, in real life, or in myself walked out of a workout with a shirt that doesn’t fit anymore.
I should also metntion my A1C, inflammatory markers, and everything else is staying put, in ways better than they were when I was doing standard keto. I’m using the carbs I take in, they’re doing the good, but not the bad because I’m not eating a bunch of them and sitting and doing nothing, they’re being used up in the gym and for refeed after. I now have the metabolic flexibility to go from high carb to no carb and never even feel the difference, no energy drain, no keto flu, no nothing. I eat stuff, and I burn it off.
As an example, pre workout this morning, I had 80g of oatmeal, a scoop of whey in there, a TBSP of peanut butter and a banana chopped up in there. There was my medium and medium-high GI carbs, some fat, and some protein, 1.5hrs later I hit the gym. Post workout I had a double scoop protein shake and I’m done. Lunch and dinner will be normal keto meals, once or twice a week depending on how I feel I’ll have a higher carb day, but still not trash carbs to top everything off.
Keto doesn’t have to be a cookie cutter thing, and it really never is, it’s just selective and people don’t admit a lot.
toucansam
(jr bob dobbs)
#22
Did it take you any experimenting to determine what time of day to add carbs? Or you simply began using them shortly before your workouts?
I’m trying to determine how long it might take for my body to store the glycogen from the diet. I’ve got a blood glucometer that I use periodically to satisfy my curiosity; perhaps I will use it to determine peaks after adding carbs to see when adding them would be most effective for me.
Like you, I’d want glucose available for the entire gym session, and gone shortly after…
Shortstuff
(Allie)
#23
White rice seems to work well for me, oats too (I need gluten free), but some swear by using a small amount of actual glucose which can be easily dissolved in water and drank preworkout.
Also worth you trying an electrolyte supplement and creatine preworkout, or intraworkout. I tend to make up a pint of water, drink half before and finish during.
toucansam
(jr bob dobbs)
#24
I have creatine, NAC, l-carnitine, NMN, leucine, beta alanine, potassium, magnesium, sodium, and l-arginine in bulk powder form. I use them with a can of sparkling water (flavor) and ice for pre- and during-workout hydration.
I’ve never been a user of commercial pre-workout drinks (fake, too many chemicals, most are gimmicks) but the compounds I am using are important to muscle synthesis and performance, among other things.
I used to eat oatmeal with bananas and blueberries. Back then I was adding a small amount of brown sugar and cinnamon. Although carnivore has removed all of my food cravings, I do actually miss that oatmeal and fruit meal. I may try it again (without the brown sugar and cinnamon of course).
White rice, for sure, I will do some experimenting with.
robintemplin
(Robin)
#25
No religion here… just a bunch of low carb heathens. There’s a different one on every corner! And we can definitely preach.
djc985
#26
Probably look into Stan Efferding’s Vertical diet. He uses white rice because it’s well tolerated by a lot of folks. For pre-workout though, dextrose is probably the best way to go.
TKD to start will probably benefit you. Then, you can look into periodic type intervals of CKD. As long as you’re eating just enough carbs to replenish muscle gycogen stores and building lean muscle, your health markers should improve.
djc985
#27
It’s funny because I will listen to just about everything, but opiate through fear inoculum provides such a difference that it’s like listening to multiple bands. Lateralus is one of the reasons I got into combinatorics. It was their magnum opus, but fear inoculum is close to replacing it for me. Hearing Pneuma live…existential bliss.
x-Dena-x
(Little Miss Scare-All)
#28
You know, to some degree, this happened to me also. Lateralus opened my mind in a very odd way. It initially lead me to delve into the subject of fibonacci sequence and its place in music. And it’s funny because when I saw your avatar, I appreciated it.
I bought Lateralus as soon as it came out back in 2001. I was 18 at the time and into a mind-altering lifestyle. I used to load it into my discman and walk around the streets of Manhattan in the middle of the night, and all I can say is it changed me as a person. It was one of the most influencial albums of mind expansion to date.
x-Dena-x
(Little Miss Scare-All)
#30
More like the whore of babble-on.
Ohhhh I kid. I couldn’t pass up a good old-fashioned book of Revelation joke.