TIM NOAKES found NOT GUILTY

(Steve Stephenson) #21

I left them this one:

The Noakes Trial brings to mind a similar set of events in Sweden starting in 2005 as chronicled in https://youtu.be/l55OjWS9pEc?t=5m6s.

The principal players:
Dr Annika Dahlqvist
~ Prof Tim Noakes,
Swedish Nat’l Board of Health & Welfare
~ Health Professions Council of South Africa and Association for Dietetics in South Africa.

The Swedish board reviewed the science for 2 years, then in January 2008 ruled that low carb diets were safe and appropriate for treating obesity.

Prof Noake’s defense very carefully and thoroughly described the science in support of low carb diets. Based on that science you should rule similarly to the Swedes (or better as you’ve had the benefit of world class expert testimony).

If you don’t you will eventually be marginalized by the citizens of South Africa who, by trying the low carb diet and finding that it works, will stop listening to you. No customers, no money.

My own n=1 experiment:
https://www.dietdoctor.com/healing-brain-well-pancreas, shows A1C decline from diabetic to normal; and
Lipid panel, shows excellent lipid panel trends (e.g., Trig/HDL=36/71=0.507 and all the “bad” scores are trending downward).

#22

It pleases me to see that all the comments are pro-Noakes so far. I think it’s time the ADSA ate some low carb humble pie.

(8 year Ketogenic Veteran) #23

That’s is INCREDIBLE @sks23cu!

Your medical history and recovery sound similar to mine.
Totes impressed you sent them your documented history!

(Steve Stephenson) #24

A reply I left:


that suggests archiving their comments someplace where they can’t mysteriously disappear. @richard you’re a software guru, can you do this easily; perhaps into Internet Archives? Saving a new version each time there is a new comment?

(8 year Ketogenic Veteran) #25

Yeah @richard you guru you. Help this guy out. He’s a rockstar.

(Jacquelyn Graham) #26
(outlawpirate) #27

Justice prevails!!! So often our justice system fails the TRUTH, but this time it is a victory for the righteous! A beautiful day.

(Barbara Greenwood) #28

I’ve had a browse through the comments… boy, some people got very, very angry! I also had a look at ADSA’s own website and ended up in their position statement on low carb diets: http://www.adsa.org.za/Portals/14/Documents/2016/Oct/Summary%20Statement_Low%20carbohydrate%20diets_ADSA%20NSSA_17%20Oct%202016.pdf

Among the many pearlers in there is the statement that an extreme low carb diet would restricts carbs to less than 25g per day (yay! Keto!). It says, for example, one apple per day along with meat fish and pure fats, no other vegetables or fruit could be added as the 25g limit would then be exceeded.

Is there anyone - anyone at all - on here who has one apple as their sole carb source for the day? I mean - I know some people do ZC, so I’ll leave it to them to fight their own battles. But those of us doing ordinary keto… you just don’t go t a carb-rich food, do you? You eat green leafy veg, and salads, and some cheese and cream, and avos and nuts and a little 85% dark chocolate and still come in at 20g o thereabouts.

Sheesh. I mean - if you want to give a novel diet a fair crack of the whip, you really ought to ask the people who actually do it day in and day out what they eat, rather than constructing a flawed version yourself and shooting that down.

(bulkbiker) #29

Very true but that wouldn’t support their message…even in defeat they are being disingenuous … they cannot give up because their entire raison d’etre will disappear…

(Lucrecia) #30

I have been developing a bit of a theory about Keto people and specifically the Keto Medical “Gods” like Tim Noakes, Gary Fettke, etc. Without exception, every single one of these people seems to be over endowed with kindness, compassion, responsibility, reliability… etc etc. I mean our very own Richard and Carl, Brenda, etc etc are a perfect example of this. Do you get where I’m going with this people? KETO MAKES YOU KINDER and CLEVERERER (sic)! I’m absolutely convinced of this. And ja, did I mention how gobsmackingly proud I am to be South African! :slight_smile:

(8 year Ketogenic Veteran) #31

High praise. Thank you.
I agree that @carl and @richard are angels, as are the docs you mentioned. Gary Fettke and his wife I did spend time with. They were only kind and compassionate.

I love these people. I have been privileged to meet and spend time with several keto crusaders in person such as Carl and Richard, @TomSeest, @LouiseReynolds, @Terri, @DaveKeto, @amber @tammy_steve1219 …
And many more.
I call these people my friends now.
All are bright, kind, honest, HUMBLE and passionate about this cause.

It was a dream to walk amongst literally hundreds of these grassroots crusaders at the Low Carb Breckenridge conference last February.

Come to KetoFest readers. You can experience the camaraderie too. :sparkling_heart:

(Lucrecia) #32

Really annoyed that I can’t come to the fest Brenda. SOOOOO badly want to meet and hug all of you fabulous humans!

(8 year Ketogenic Veteran) #33

Maybe the next one? Because there WILL be a next one…
:green_heart::blue_heart::purple_heart::yellow_heart::heart:

(Lucrecia) #34

Oh yessssssssss! And YES!

(Lillian Jane Jay Neal) #35

Yay!!!

(ianrobo) #36

My GOD they are appealing !!!

Ultra-marathon continues: @HPCSA_ to appeal Advocate Joan Adams’ judgement that was 10-0 in my favour. Ketogenics never tire @MarikaSboros

un believable …

far too much to protect eh ?

(8 year Ketogenic Veteran) #37

Yup.

(ianrobo) #38

If I was Tim Brenda I would actually refuse to appear and let the evidence stand from the first one.

(Tim) #39

My first reaction is to reply with an “un-fucking-believable!!” but, unfortunately, it’s really not.

It is, however, absolutely shameless.

(ianrobo) #40

as someone says, follow the cash !